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      • Hillary ..is an egotistical, scandal ridden, incomptent, psychopath who might be our next President

      • As reported, the Clintons after leaving the White House have earned $250 million ..did they manufacture any products ..did they build any bridges, constructed any roads ..employed thousands of American workers ..just how did they do this????

        Btw Hilliary stated that they were dead broke leaving the White House!!!!

          • Intellect that could not mange an email account? They capitalized on their brand with an intangible product, political favors. You know that.

          • @ GD & IE. Dead, I’m not sure what you mean by “classifying”, but intellect doesn’t “=” corruption in anyone’s mind but yours. You seem to be a big believer in the children of darkness being wiser than the children of light. I’m not. Enoch, neither of them held a political office of any kind, so that puts political favors off the table.

          • C’mon GRATEFUL DEAD. You should study in school.

            Walmart is a brand: “Always low prices.”
            McKinsey Consulting is a brand: “The CEO’s Most Trusted Advisor”
            Coke is a brand: “The Real Thing”

            These are SERVICE companies…..they don’t MANUFACTURE, but they provide something valuable……and customers and consumers pay for these things IN THEIR BUSINESS.

            Their entire companies are based on “a brand” and YOU label them “corrupt”…..(because you don’t know much)

            BTW: Coke makes nothing. Coke manages a brand, buys ads, promotes, protects their trademark. They make nothing. They do not manufacture, nor bottle, nor distrubute anything…..their Bottling Partners do all of that. Coke does not “own” the bottlers.
            Coke owns the brand. That is all they do.

          • @ LKB With the appointments coming to light, the functions of the Clinton Foundation and even with DWS becoming a Hillary adviser after her fall from the DNC, influence is peddled far more than intellect with the Clinton. All on has to do is follow Chelsea’s amazing career to see that it is a product of influence not intelligence.

            Do you really think Hillary has enough $10 words that Wall Street needs to hear that they pa her $250,000 for a speech?

  3. The real Republican Party, the one led by the pro-business, small government, low taxes Chamber of Commerce?
    Feeling….PRETTY……confident…..facing down Trump right now. Turns out – he will be an aberration.

    HEADLINE:
    ~ GOP Establishment Trounces Alt-Right Tea Party in Congressional Primaries ~

    “Alt-right Tea party candidates failed to take out a single GOP incumbent this year in the last large national State Primaries portending strength before the 2016 national elections. It turns out the ultimate year of the outsider is pretty much limited to Donald Trump. And Trump’s failure to affect change in Primaries emboldens a GOP reluctant to trust him.

    Republican establishment-aligned GOP primary candidates for Congress beat alt-right challengers this summer in every major matchup, a stark reversal of the dynamic that’s driven Republican politics since 2010. All of the Republican Party favorites dominated their Tea Party challengers: Sen. John McCain of Arizona (AZ) House Ways and Means Chairman Kevin Brady of Texas (TX) and Reps. John Shimkus of Illinois (IL) and Bill Shuster of Pennsylvania (PA).

    The results stopped recent GOP primary history, in which Republican establishment candidates have consistently been on defense trying to shield incumbents from alt-right challengers from their right. This year, establishment-aligned groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce not only fended off challengers but now have changed goals to proactively target new seats. Indeed, aside from its spectacular failure to stop Trump from winning the nomination, the Republican establishment is having a very good year, and emboldened to stop him in the Fall.

    • Yep, 4 years of The Beast then toss the ball back up into the air. The problem for the Trumpeteers, both the honest ones, the core bigots and racists, and the ones lying about not voting for that gasbag, is that he’s spoiled them. Not an ocean deep enough to produce another bottom feeder like him. Maybe another abomination like Trump will rise up out of some cesspool in the hinterlands in a few years to give them yet another fool to coalesce around. He will be a hard act to follow. He has checked all the bigot’s boxes and just any garden variety racist will no longer sate them.

      Trump apparently didn’t have the nerve to mention to Nieto that the Mexican people would be paying for the never-to-be-built wall. Dysentery Rump choked. He was awed and outclassed by ‘one of them’. Flip Flop Fop didn’t have much trouble telling his high kicking rally attendees who would ‘pay for the wall’ only a couple of hours later. On cue and like bought idiots, they fired it right back at him.

      If he didn’t need his diaper changed by the time he left Mexico he surely did after all that screeching at his goofy base last night. Trump is a phony egomaniac, people eventually get wise to them and they go away after hanging around for a while and firing their lies at deaf ears.

    • I wonder if you know as much about your candidate of choice or the one you are working to elect as ou do Trump? I don’t recall you ever telling us why Hillary will be better than Trump.

      • I can’t answer for Bandana, but I can give you my answer. Hillary isn’t a narcissist. She will be better because she is sane.

        • You sure have the right to your opinion ..but in regards to sanity, let’s leave that up to the shrieks.

          • The shrieker is insane. Mentally ill. I watched him go last night on TV. He is desperate, screaming at his base, for some reason still courting their approval. Trump The Shrieker and and Nieto The Veto, two desperate politicians: low polling, low-riding and seeking solace in a meeting with each other.

      • Libertarian Gary Johnson is better than both. The only real conservative in the race. Clinton is better than Trump because we can survive one term of her. We cannot survive any Presidency when the occupant is a dangerous fool who doesn’t want the job – it is a recipe for national disaster. This is the easiest question you have ever asked Indiana Enoch.
        YOU? For sale. Sacrifice your values. Ceding your soul out because you are confronted with difficult choices that might require you to have faith. I like you, you know that, but you are being a fool on this election. Literally, a fool. And I would have never guessed you would abandon your personal ideals and what you define as your integrity – that’s never changed since I have been exchanging ideas with you here at the CCO – until now. I always respected that.

        I AM maintaining my values, and I AM maintaining my principles, and I AM maintaining my personal integrity…..and casting my vote for the real Conservative in the race: Gary Johnson.

        MY personal character (unlike some soul-selling, weak and desperate former social conservatives I know) is not going to be ceded to a con-man, a reality-TV star who is unsurprisingly, a dangerous fool.

        • I agree that Johnson is the best candidate and it isn’t even close considering the downside associated with Hillary and Trump. The partisans with their blind allegiance to whatever POS their conventions nominate are the problem. Tribalism is not constructive. It is time to dispense with this idiotic tradition of 2 parties hold a monopoly over the candidate pool.

          • Your values align well with Johnson. I took an honest look at Johnson and I would give serious consideration to voting for him on principle if I shared his views on issues I consider key.

            I find fault with the #Never Trump voters whom I call “Johnson come lately” because they are voting against Trump more than supporting Johnson.

            I do not buy into the tribalism on either side but feel that much of the negativity with Trump is him being a poor politician and the affect of a tribal mentality in the media.

            In my opinion Hillary could do a lot of harm to more than just my values in her first term, and I believe once in we will have her for eight years.

          • I would think that Hillary Clinton will lose more voters to Gary Johnson than Donald Trump will, considering how PO the Bernie Sanders backers are about Hillary’s cheating in the primary.

            The indisputable fact of the matter though is that no matter what fractional percentage Johnson gets from either candidate, he stands NO chance of winning the election.

            So with that in mind, would you still go ahead and vote for Johnson?

        • I will likely never understand how you believe Hillary is a less dangerous fool when we have her history before us. That’s being a fool.

          As I have said since the Indiana primaries, only Trump or Hillary will be our next president, and m values will fare<<<give me an "A" Banadana) better under Trump.

          M integrity and personal believes have not been compromised. Johnson does not share my ideals and he is is a progressive on social issue which I consider important, Life, religious liberty, immigration.

          If Johnson represents your integrity, then you are more liberal than conservative.

          All these accusations racism and selling our souls your not being able to dazzle us with your brilliance so you so you're trying to baffle us with bovine scat.

          In the least Trump has exposed the RINOs and elitist of the GOP and why many like me have become rebels without a party.

      • I wasn’t asking Bandanna. It’s difficult to follow the thread of the conversation.

        But thanks for the answer.

    • We’ll see how he polls after his tirade on national television last night, within a few hours of “choking like a dog” in the presence of the President of Mexico. If he’d do that in front of Pena Nieto, what would he do in the presence of his man-crush, Putin?

      • The sneaking suspicion for all Americans about Trump…is that he’s not really a serious Presidential candidate. That he really doesn’t want to be President, and do the JOB of a President…..instead, the thing that makes the Pentagon, the Republican Party, the National Intelligence community, etc – is that they BELIEVE he is too much of a reality TV star who displays the mentality of a dangerous fool……So, they don’t trust him.

        Trump’s Mexico thing?
        1. He went down for a 2 hr photo op.
        2. Did he discuss the central part of his Campaign – making Mexico pay for the wall? No. It proved he’s not serious about it, and not serious about doing the job of the President.
        3. It reinforced that Trump is not serious about the Job. He just wanted his picture taken.
        4. It reinforced he is not Presidential material, instead it reinforced he actually is, a reality TV star.

        • According to pollsters, there are two mythologies in data gathering. One is traditional ..statistical random phone calling asking well developed questions and the other is computerization which of course does not have direct conversation. Due to the marginalization of Trump, concerns have risen that many responses under the traditional methods slanted the data, i.e. when asked, “are you voting for Trump” the respondent is embarrassed to say yes, but privately the respondent will be more forthcoming. Apparently, this explained why during the primaries the polling numbers in regards to Trumps were off beyond the margin of error .

          • LOL!!! You mean “methodologies” not “mythologies,” but there are more than two methods. No reliable pollster asks “Are you voting for (blank)”. A scientific poll would ask something to the effect of “If the election were held today would you be more likely to vote for blank, blank, or blank.” The order of the candidates’ names are rotated each time a different participant is asked. Not only do you need a proofreader, a dictionary might help you, too. If you’ll attempt to read and understand this, it should help you understand more about polling methodologies. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

          • (This is a statement of desperate hope. Just clarifyin’ This whole thing “feels over”….Trump had a game changing opportunity yesterday. But he didn’t…..and won’t…..and will not be the next President. That is not hope. It’s increasingly accurate.)

    • Joe…..your statement is farcical. (that means you look like a farce)

      What is clear is that Trump can’t get past around 40 +/- %. He might get closer to Hillary in the polls because her numbers drop…..BUT NOT because Trump’s numbers go up. Clinton’s numbers DO go higher, mind you they come back down too.

      But Trump’s numbers? They never go up.
      Trump’s speech last night signaled loud and clear he is staying with angry, white men…..AND THAT’S IT.

      You need more votes Joe. You don’t have enough votes to win it. How do you win it Joe, w/out more votes?

        • It’s not my opinion. It is the expert findings of FiveThirtyEight.com. You should open some of the links I post sometimes.

  5. “Therefore the moon, the governess of floods,
    Pale in her anger washes all the air,
    That rheumatic diseases do abound;
    And thorough this distemperature we see
    The seasons alter: hoary-headed frosts
    Fall in the fresh lap of the crimson rose,
    And on old Hiems’ thin and icy crown
    An odorous chaplet of sweet summer buds
    Is, as in mock’ry, set. The spring, the summer,
    The childing autumn, angry winter change
    Their wonted livieries, and the mazed world
    By their increase now knows not which is which;
    And this same progeny of evils comes
    From our debate, from our dissension.” Midsummer Night’s Dream

    • My teacher is so very nice
      I always take her good advice
      She’s just as soft as bunny fur
      I think I’d like to sleep with her

      Believe me….

    • Just when it seems the subject has been chewed to death there is something new to gnaw on. The latest is yesterday’s bipolar display by the Donald.

      • For the crazies…..who love Trump even when he’s a full-on Sarah Palin clone? (fun to listen to, utterly unfit for the Office)…..they think Trump’s bipolar day yesterday was fun.

        But Trump needs more votes. Those votes have to come from somewhere…classic Republican college educated voters that Romney won with 95% of their votes. Trump isn’t even CLOSE to that.

        Those people? After they saw Trump in Arizona last night……AGAIN……they were informed that Trump is indeed BIPOLAR…..crazy and a reality-TV star. He had a chance w/ them after standing quietly in front of the podium yesterday afternoon. But last night? They all went, “Aaaaaah! Nope. He’s crazy exactly like we thought.”

        He’s not winning more votes. He needs more votes to actually win.

          • His flip flop yesterday woke a bunch of them up. Sent them right out the door. He lost his Mexican yesterday, if he doesn’t watch it he’ll lose his African American too. Even before his transparent attempt to look important by meeting with Nieto (he swallowed the apple, choked) and the subsequent efforts to mitigate his chickenshit failure to broach the subject of wall payment, he was polling in Mexico about as well as the worm in the bottle of Mezcal in my liquor cabinet.

    • We only have a few more months of this National Presidential Election Stuff and then maybe these guys will talk about something else. Let’s hope so! I’m getting tired of Hillary vs Trump. Once Hillary is in the White House we will hear how she cheated to win and then they will bash her for the next 8 long years that she’s the President. Let’s hope that the GOP doesn’t still control the House of Representatives for the next 8 years so that they can never again start that stupid impeachment process that the stupidly pulled out against their other political enemy Bill.

      • You make a lot of good observations here, coyotehunter. I am concerned that the national circus is going to give enough cover to the locals to pass another foolhardy budget that will push the city over the edge into bankruptcy, but at the same time, I’ve really never seen such a spectacle as we have on the national scene.

      • Electionprojection.com currently has the House shaking out with a republican advantage 229-206. The odds of the democrats taking the House back are longer than the odds of Trump taking the White House. If Hillary wins, and the odds are that she will, you can rest assured that the House will seriously consider impeachment hearings before her first 100 days pass. The charge will be “lying to congress under oath” and there may be more charges. That charge will stick in the House. The Senate is her only hope not to be convicted in an impeachment proceeding with a charge of lying to congress. If there is a republican majority in the Senate she won’t last. It is partisan but the reality is that she absolutely spoke words under oath that were untrue. Her defense as the FBI has concluded is the “too dumb to know” defense. That worked with the FBI. It won’t with a jury of republicans. Seriously, if evidence is brought forth that she intentionally lied and knew it at the time she will deserve impeachment.

      • I don’t see another impeachment of a Clinton. The last such partisan grandstanding met with much public disapproval. All the house members have to run every two years and they’ll want to keep their seats. But, for some, hope springs eternal…

        The Trump Trumpeteers, that shady, lying, off-key component of the brass section, sees the writing on the wall (no pun). They foolishly continue to pin their hopes on some sort of criminalization of Hillary’s years of public service and testifying before hostile committees convened to destroy her.

        • History will confirm that while the public thought the impeachment of Bill for lying about a BJ was icky and silly, he survived the Senate vote only whe VP Al Gore cast the tie breaking vote.

          The following election of 2000 resulted in a republican president and congress. Since that time, things haven’t been so good. We have gone from okay to a financial crisis and back to just okay in the last 16 years. During that time we have had total R control, R president with D congress, total D control, to our current situation of D president and an R congress. None of it has really worked well. We tread water these days and call it olympic class swimming.

          Life is okay for most but very few people are really optimistic about the future. They are also not terribly pessimistic. I do not fear the fall of the republic no matter who is elected. The USA is bigger and better than either,of the petulant dimwits the major parties have nominated. The only thing that concerns me is either party having total control. Checks and balances work better than governments with carte blanche authority granted by partisan hacks in congress.

          • History has already confirmed that Bill Clinton survived the perjury charge 45 to 55. He survived the obstruction of justice charge 50/50. Not even close on either count, it takes a â…” majority in the senate to convict. Still does.

          • “The only thing that concerns me is either party having total control.”

            Man ain’t that the truth….

          • The telling part of that whole sordid episode is the fact that it happened in 1995. Clinton took office in January of 1993. Now there is no way to keep something like that away from the Washington media, they had it. To protect their chosen candidate, the one they didn’t vett coming into the race, just like they didn’t vett Barack Obama, they participated in a cover up. Of course their intent was to get Bill Clinton through that term, and hopefully into a second term, which they knew would be impossible if the story broke during his first term. In that the media were successful.

            In thee Fall of 1996 Clinton was reelected and started his second term in January of 1997. In 1998 the lid came off. It was not the “elite media” who informed the public of what had happened in the Oval Office of the White House in 1995. It was Matt Drudge who broke the story. Then, we all know, Bill Clinton lied, was impeached, but was one vote shy, Al Gore’s vote, of being removed from office.

            Now, ask yourself this: what sort of power did the elite media types in possession of the facts of the incident from 1995 to 1998 wield over President Clinton. Could, or would, they use the knowledge they possessed to achieve any of their agendas? Or was the “elite media” agenda just to keep a liberal democrat in the White House as long as they possibly could?

            The very last thing this country needs is the immoral Clintons back in the White House, or in any position of power or influence over the citizens of the United States of America.

          • No party has ever had total control of the US Government. There are checks and balances and rules that prevent that from happening easily. For example to impeach the President the Senate has to vote with 2/3rd’s of it’s member to allow the impeachment to proceed. That and the filibuster nixes anyone party from having total control even if they have a majority in the Senate. Just is not going to happen and you know that. So please don’t ever say that one party had total control of the government. That won’t happen anytime soon. This is why the founding fathers setup the system. The checks and balances are there for a good reason and they have worked for over 200 years now.

            Signed The Predator Hunter

          • Your comment caused me to consider something Coyote. I myself have thought that our protection is in the balance of power between the two parties, but our founders constructed the balance of power between three branches of government.

            While the legislative branch under both parties has its own issues, I am concerned about a judicial branch that decrees law and is creating rulings more on past precedence rather than constitutional context, and an executive branch that has been selective in which laws it will execute and has created law by EO.

            Perhaps we are more concerned about two parties when we should be concerned about the three branches. Perhaps that’s why no matter which party is in power we mostly recieve the same results.

        • Now that is some interesting scoop.

          Kellyanne Conway, Trump’s present campaign manager, is a true believer of Comprehensive Immigration Reform. – Actually its’ mother.

          So Trump becomes the Pub’s nominee by being 100% against CIR. Then softens his evolving “opinion” to maybe letting some stay. Goes to Meheeco yesterday and is told they would not be building his Great Wall, in which he stated, “We did not discuss the wall, that will come at a later date.” Then comes home and says he’s tripling ICE, (Which he isn’t going to triple shit without Congress wanting to pay for it), in order to create a “deportation force.” And his fine wall just got 6 and a half inches higher. I wonder how he came up with that figure.

          So he goes on Laura Ingrain this morning and “softens” his stance again.

          Yep, I can see Putin in a nuclear situation taking all the time he needs trying to figure out just exactly what Mop Head is thinking.

          And while Putin is making his decision, I can see President Trump tweeting his top general asking him, “Just how does that nuclear triad thing work again?….

          • I’ve noticed that Kellyanne Conway is nowhere to be found this morning. I’m wondering if she may be vacating the camp along with the two Hispanic advisors who left this morning. She worked hard to establish her credibility and it is endangered by her association with Donald the Bipolar.

    • I guess you know that Politico has RETRACTED BOTH STATEMENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE DEMONSTRABLY FALSE.

  12. BREAKING NEWS: Trump tells Laura Ingram this morning that there is “softening.” He is incapable of making a decision and sticking with it!!

  13. When Mr. Trump gets in office hilly and billy will both be wearing orange and be going to prison.

  15. Good Lord, just since this morning I’ve heard 4 different Republican commenters say they believe Trump’s game plan is a Trump – Breibart News channel and one said with Roger Ailes running it.

    Becker may end up being the insider trading guy to go to after all….

  16. Let’s dispense with this political numbskullery and talk about something we all like. FREE MONEY!!!

    Ever heard of negative interest rates? The Japanese government and several of the EuroZone banana republics are offering Negative Interest Rate bonds. Here is how this works. The government prints up a bond and offers it to investors (suckers) at a negative interest rate. Then the suckers hand the government cash for the piece of paper they printed. Every year the suckers get to pay the bond issuer for the privilege of having them hold onto their money. At maturity the bond issuer gives them the cash back without indexing it for inflation.

    I want to get a piece of this action. I am offering a billion dollar Joe Wallace Bond that pays a rate of negative 0.06% (same as Govt. of Japan) with a 40 year maturity. You give me a billion USD and agree to pay me $600,000 per year for the next 40 years. At the end of 40 years, I will give you your billion dollars back. Any takers out there? Anyone think this is a debt policy with a chance in hell of being sustainable?

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-5-000-year-government-debt-bubble-1472685194

    • Joe: Here is one I doubt that Wall Street will get behind:

      Prohitbition of Interest

      Riba best translated today as the charging of any interest, meaning money earned on the lending out of money itself. The prohibition on paying or receiving fixed interest is based on the Islamic tenet that money is only a medium of exchange, a way of defining the value of a thing; it has no value in itself, and therefore should not be allowed to give rise to more money, via fixed interest payments, simply by being put in a bank or lent to someone else. The human effort, initiative, and risk involved in a productive venture are more important than the money used to finance it.

      Money in Islam is not regarded as an asset from which it is ethically permissible to earn a direct return. Money tends to be viewed purely as a medium of exchange. Interest can leads to injustice and exploitation in society; The Qur’an (2:279) characterises it as unfair, as implied by the word zulm (oppression, exploitation, opposite of adl i.e. justice)

      There is no real ‘lending’ in Islam since all ‘lenders’ obtain ownership interests in the assets that they finance, or earn a profit-share or purely fee-based remuneration. In order for an Islamic bank to earn a return on money lent, it is necessary to obtain an equity, or ownership, interest in a non-monetary asset. This requires the lender to also participate in the sharing of risk.

      Individuals and the world as a whole probably know too well the burden of interest and misery and suffering that irresponsible lenders have inflicted on individuals and societies. It has become so completely institutionalised and accepted in modern economies that it is almost impossible to conceive that there are some who completely oppose it and refuse to enter into any transactions that involve interest.
      Islam’s prohibition of interest and usury was not unprecedented. The early Jewish and Christian traditions also forbade riba. Even the renowned Greek philosopher, Aristotle, condemned acquiring of wealth by the practice of charging interest on money.

      “Very much disliked also is the practice of charging interest: and the dislike is fully justified for interest is a yield arising out of money itself, not a product of that for which money was provided. Money was intended to be a means of exchange; interest represents an increase in the money itself. Hence of all ways of getting wealth, this is the most contrary to nature.” Aristotle, The Politics, tr. Sinclair, pg. 46, Penguin

      “Do not charge your brother interest, whether on money or food or anything else that may earn interest.” (Deuteronomy 23:19)

      “If you lend money to My people, to the poor among you, you are not to act as a creditor to him; you shall not charge him interest.” The Holy Bible (American Standard Bible)

      [Jesus said], “If you have money, do not lend it at interest, but give [it] to one from whom you will not get it back.” Gospel St Thomas, V95

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