If you can’t make it to New Orleans to take in Mardi Gras, the Evansville Vanderburgh Public Library will bring it to you on Sunday, February 23rd. A family-friendly celebration featuring live music will take place in the Browning Events Room at Central Library beginning at 2:00 pm.
As the number of bus passengers approaches the number of U.S. airline passengers, transportation experts are taking a closer look at the widely disparate state efforts to make sure buses are safe.
Fatal Bus Crashes
Recent accidents have brought more scrutiny to the regulation of buses, owners and drivers.
Indiana: Three people died and 33 people were injured in July when a church bus returning from Michigan hit a barrier on an exit ramp and flipped over. The bus driver was later cited for running a red light. Investigators also said the bus was going too fast for the turn.
Oregon: Nine people died and 38 people were injured in December 2012, when a tour bus slid down an icy hill. U.S. and Canadian regulators suspended the company’s license. Victims filed a lawsuit that, among other things, accused the Oregon Department of Transportation of not installing strong enough barriers along the stretch of highway known as “Deadman’s Pass.â€
California: Eight people died when a charter bus with brakes that were all defective crashed on its way back to Mexico in February 2013. The bus involved in the accident was not presented to regulators during the carrier’s annual inspection. In December, four buses crashed in a week in southern California, killing two people and injuring dozens more.
Tennessee: Eight people died and 14 were injured in October, when a church bus crossed a median on Interstate 40 near Newport, Tenn. The bus, which was carrying senior citizens home to North Carolina from a jubilee, blew a tire before hitting an SUV and a tractor trailer in oncoming traffic.
States are responsible for enforcing federal safety laws for buses that cross state lines, but they take very different approaches. Nearly half the states require annual inspections; the rest do not. Some spend almost all of at least $165 million in federal inspection money to look at trucks, while others focus more heavily on buses. Others are more aggressive at conducting roadside inspections.
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States also have different rules for buses that do not fall under federal jurisdiction, because they operate only within the state.
Industry leaders and safety advocates want more consistent enforcement among states and within states, although they differ on the tactics. Congress has also asked the U.S. Department of Transportation to study whether more uniform state laws are needed.
“We want to make sure everybody who is in the business is performing at the same level,†said Peter Pantuso, president and CEO of the American Bus Association, which represents about 1,000 bus companies.
The discussion over state enforcement methods comes as federal regulatory efforts are under scrutiny. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, in particular, came under fire after 28 people died in motor coach accidents in 2011.
Since then, federal regulators have stepped up inspections, tried to better identify rogue operators and started requiring seat belts on new buses.
The scrutiny comes as industry studies show American buses provide more than 700 million passenger trips a year, compared to 720 million on airlines. There are about 4,000 bus companies providing interstate service, according to federal regulators.
Federal regulators targeted companies last year that they deemed to pose significant risks. As part of that eight-month effort, they shut down 52 bus companies and removed 340 buses from the road.
The number of people who die in bus accidents has remained steady in recent years at around 20 a year. But when crashes do occur, they can be devastating, because of the number of passengers on board.
Annual Check-Ups
Indiana state Sen. Tom Wyss was surprised what he learned about his state’s bus safety laws after a church bus crash in Indianapolis last summer left a youth pastor, his pregnant wife and a chaperone dead.
The Republican senator, who chairs his chamber’s transportation committee, started looking into the state’s inspection requirements, because the driver initially blamed faulty brakes for the accident. Investigators later found no mechanical problems with the bus, and determined that high speed was a cause of the accident.
Wyss discovered bus owners in Indiana do not have to show the state that their vehicles were inspected in the last year.
He was particularly worried about buses owned by churches, scouting groups and other nonprofit organizations, which face less scrutiny under federal regulations than commercial buses.
“When you get on a Greyhound or some other bus, you know that puppy has been inspected. But what about this one here? It turns out… we don’t check buses that are private buses,†he said.
So Wyss pushed a bill through the Senate requiring bus owners to show state police proof of inspection when they get their license plates renewed. The bill passed the Senate 33-14 and is now in the Indiana House.
“The state has a responsibility, if we’re going to license (buses), to make sure they are as safe as can be,†Wyss said.
If the bill passes, about 2,100 private buses would need annual inspections, legislative analysts estimate. Wyss’ bill would allow buses to be evaluated by private inspectors, although the Indiana State Police could set up its own program. The state police already inspect school buses, and did 16,000 of those inspections last year.
Twenty-three states and the District of Columbia required commercial vehicles to undergo state-approved annual inspections in 2012, according to J.J. Keller and Associates, Inc., a private company that consults with businesses on regulation compliance. Bus owners in other states must still have their vehicles inspected for federal purposes, but do not have to report results to the state.
Besides applying only to buses that cross state lines, federal rules are also less strict for the owners of private buses—like a musician’s tour bus or a church bus—when it comes to keeping records of annual inspections.
Nearly two years ago, Congress told the U.S. Department of Transportation to study whether to require states to put in place mandatory inspection laws. The provision was part of the larger highway bill Congress passed in 2012. It set a deadline for the report to be issued by next year.
Pantuso, the bus association’s president, said a uniform standard would be fairer, because it would discourage unscrupulous companies from registering in states with low standards to avoid scrutiny.
Will Schaefer, director of vehicle programs at the Commercial Vehicle Safety Association, a group of agencies that inspect trucks and buses, said federal officials should also standardize the criteria for evaluating whether a truck or bus passes inspection.
“Unfortunately, the way the federal regulations have evolved, we don’t have a very specific guideline of what needs to be accomplished during that inspection,†he said.
Random Inspections
Many safety advocates want buses inspected, not just in garages, but on the roads they travel.
“Annual inspections are a snapshot,†said Henry Jasny, vice president for Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety. “On-site inspections are not expected… You can get a much better feel of how (a bus) is used. It is a more real-world test of whether the company is following all of the rules, the driver is fit and the bus is in good shape.â€
A federal law passed in 2005 prohibits police from pulling over buses with passengers on board for the sole purpose of an inspection. Random inspections are supposed to take place only at a route origin or destination to protect passengers and prevent delays.
Police can order an inspection on the road for a bus carrying passengers, but only when they have already stopped it for a violation, such as speeding or a broken tail light.
The restrictions on roadside inspections make it harder to keep tabs of carriers that want to avoid attention, Jasny said. “It’s a moving target. Companies change the locations of where they pick up or drop off passengers,†he said.
Trucks, which are subject to many of the same laws as buses, can be randomly inspected by police at weigh stations.
Effective Enforcement
Pantuso, the bus association president, said states with effective inspection programs, such as California, Connecticut and Massachusetts, regularly inspect the records and buses of companies of all sizes. “The ones that do it right, do it consistently,†he said.
In many states, he said, bigger companies are targeted more often than smaller ones, because they are easier to find and keep better records.
But companies that try to skirt the law should be examined just as rigorously. “They’re a lot harder to find sometimes, but at the same time, their customers seem to be able to find them OK, and these are law enforcement officials we’re talking about. That’s what they’re trained to do,†he said.
The California Highway Patrol has a long history of doing safety checks on commercial vehicles. It started the inspections in 1963, and state law has required annual inspections for decades. Currently, 260 highway patrol officers are dedicated to enforcing commercial vehicle laws.
Its inspection teams handle both trucks and buses. Even though the vehicles are different, many of the laws governing the vehicles, the drivers and the records they must keep are similar, said Capt. Brandon Johnson, commander of the agency’s commercial vehicle section.
The agency works with its federal counterparts to conduct “strike force†activities several times a year. The agencies inspect buses after they drop off passengers at theme parks, casinos, shopping malls and other popular destinations.
The highway patrol is also trying to work closer with other regulatory agencies during routine stops. It hopes to roll out a system this year that will allow officers to check a license plate to see immediately whether a bus carrier is licensed to operate. Currently, officers have to look that information up online or request it from a dispatcher.
“Our program works, and it’s been working,†Johnson said. “The federal government is modeling its program after our program.â€
Stateline is a nonpartisan, nonprofit news service of the Pew Charitable Trusts that provides daily reporting and analysis on trends in state policy.
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One additional hour of instructional time for six consecutive days will be added to the EVSC calendar, Feb. 24 through March 3, in order to make up the one remaining snow day that EVSC has yet to schedule. The EVSC Board of School Trustees unanimously approved this additional time, in a special meeting Feb. 17.
Schools in Indiana are required to have 180 days in session. To date, EVSC schools have been closed seven days: Dec. 6, Dec. 9, Dec. 10, 2013; and Jan. 6, 7, 21, and Feb. 5, 2014. Of those dates, Jan. 6 and 7 were waived by the State of Indiana and do not have to be made up.  Two-hour delays and early dismissals also do not have to be made up.
EVSC students will be making up four snow days (that were already built into the school calendar as potential make up days) on the following dates:
February 17
April 18
April 21
May 23
The one remaining snow day is what will be made up by adding one hour per day for six days.
The school board also gave Superintendent David Smith permission to make further adjustments as needed for EVSC schools on alternative or extended calendars.
The idea of adding one day by adding additional hours to each day, was one of several given to all schools in the state by the Indiana Department of Education to provide schools additional ways to make up days that were missed due to inclement weather this winter. Other options included having school on Saturday. The IDOE noted that no waivers are needed for a school corporation to schedule school on Saturday or to have school by re-scheduling holidays, use pre-established snow days, professional development days, or add days to the end of the school calendar.
“We believe that adding additional instructional time to the school day is the option that works best for the EVSC and is best for students – especially with ISTEP testing coming up right after these days are completed,†said Superintendent David Smith.
Although schools will be given the flexibility on how they will use the additional time, Smith and Chief Academic Officer Velinda Stubbs have already spoken with members of the EVSC’s Principal Advisory Council about how to best use the time given. Stubbs offered an idea on what the intent of an additional hour of instruction would be. She told schools that results-oriented time might best be seen by adding a different instructional period to the end of each day, on a rotating basis; or lengthening one period per day. Indiana Code states the definition of instructional time as “time during which students are participating in an approved course, a curriculum, or, an educationally related activity under the direction of a teacher, including a reasonable amount of passing time between classes. Instructional time does not include lunch or recess.†I.C. 20-30-2-1.
The board hopes that with nearly one week of notice, any high school students who may have jobs immediately after school, will be able to arrange to go in slightly later. Most winter sports are now finished, but for those that are still taking place – the start time will be pushed back. After school activities for elementary schools may be re-adjusted during this six-day window.
New Single “Bottoms Up†Climbing Country Radio Charts LET IT RIDE TOUR Comes To Evansville, May 2nd Tickets go on-sale 10am Friday, February 21st!
Brantley Gilbert is kicking off 2014 in high gear with new music and a headline tour, LET IT RIDE, which is stopping at the Ford Center on May 2nd.
Impacting Country radio recently, “Bottoms Up” is the first new music the Georgia native has produced for his loyal BG Nation fans in over four years. The lead single from Brantley’s forthcoming album on The Valory Music Co. was made available in late December and quickly shot up the iTunes charts peaking at #1 on the Country Singles Chart and #8 All Genres. Coinciding with the single release, fans were also able to purchase the accompanying video, which was shot in Nashville and flashes from 1930’s vintage to modern day party scenes. Directed by CMA Award-winning Shane Drake, the video has already garnered over 1.2 million views on VEVO. Watch here.
The Country rocker will preview additional new material during his 22-city LET IT RIDE TOUR, beg
inning 3/27 with special guests Thomas Rhett and Eric Paslay. During Brantley’s second headlining tour, which makes stops at arenas across the country, fans can also expect to hear the GOLD-certified #1 hits, “Country Must Be Country Wide†and “You Don’t Know Her Like I Do.â€
“I’m really excited to get this new music out to the fans! The response from the BG Nation has blown me away. They always come out in full force,†said Brantley. “Can’t wait to see the reaction we get on the road.â€
To help make the announcement, Brantley called on the BG Nation to use the hashtag #LETITRIDETOUR on Instagram to post photos and videos expressing excitement about the tour, and finding creative ways to announce their hometown’s tour date or the stop closest to them. More information on the promotion and a gallery of fan-submitted content is available at www.brantleygilbert.com.
BRANTLEY GILBERT “LET IT RIDE†TOUR 2014
w/ special guests
THOMAS RHETT ERIC PASLAY
FORD CENTER – EVANSVILLE, IN FRIDAY, MAY 2 | 7:30PM
TICKETS ON-SALE 10AM FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 21ST
Ticket Locations:
The Ford Center box office & all Ticketmaster locations, ticketmaster.com or by phone at 800-745-3000
About Thomas Rhett: Watching father Rhett Akins work as an artist and hit songwriter, music has always been a part of 23-year-old Thomas Rhett’s life. The Valdosta, GA, native spent his high school years dabbling in songwriting and playing in a band with friends. Thomas Rhett signed his first publishing deal with EMI while still a student at Lipscomb University in Nashville, and shortly thereafter, signed a record deal with The Valory Music Co. The talented singer has scored two Top 15 hits – the poignant “Beer With Jesus†and debut single “Something To Do With My Hands†– both of which are on his debut album, IT GOES LIKE THIS, out now. The project also features Thomas Rhett’s new single, “Get Me Some Of That,†as well as the multi-week #1, “It Goes Like This,†which has been certified PLATINUM for sales of over 1 million downloads. With his first-time #1 holding the top spot for three weeks on the Billboard Country Singles Chart, Thomas Rhett ties Miranda Lambert for the record set three years ago with “The House That Built Me. As a gifted songwriter, he has penned Florida Georgia Line’s two-week #1 “Round Here†and two Jason Aldean cuts, including the Top 15 smash “1994.†He recently wrapped his opening slot on Aldean’s NIGHT TRAIN TOUR and was a part of the first-ever Country concert at Fenway Park in Boston. He has made national television appearances on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, Late Night With Jimmy Fallon, The Queen Latifah Show and FOX’s American Country Awards. For tour dates and more visit: www.thomasrhett.com.
About Eric Paslay: EMI Records Nashville recording artist Eric Paslay will release his self-titled debut
album on February 4. The album features his Top 10 single “Friday Night†which was chosen by ESPN for use in their weekly ESPN College Football Primetime broadcasts this past fall. In the last year, Eric has co-penned three #1s singles including “Even If It Breaks Your Heart†(Eli Young Band), “Barefoot Blue Jean Night†(Jake Owen) and “Angel Eyes†(Love & Theft). Paslay was also nominated for a Grammy for Best Country Song, for ACM Song Of The Year and CMA Song Of The Year for his hit “Even If It Breaks Your Heart.”
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What the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services calls a modification to rules protecting patient privacy has sparked similar outcries from groups that might normally find themselves opposing each other.
The National Alliance on Mental Illness and the Gun Owners of America both have come out against a proposed rule change to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act that would allow health care entities to release the names of some mental health patients to the national firearm background check system.
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The proposed rule is part of the Obama administration’s efforts to reduce gun violence by keeping firearms from individuals who are barred by law from possessing them. While the HHS acknowledged it cannot point to any quantified data, it does believe the rule change could increase the reporting to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System of individuals with serious mental health conditions who might pose a risk of gun violence.
Moreover, the HHS contends it is not chipping away at privacy but rather clearing up ambiguities surrounding the mental health prohibitor provision.
Despite the fireworks from national groups, Indiana attorneys say the rule change will mean little to health care providers in the state. The rule is very narrow and, at best, would impact a small number of health care entities.
“We’re telling our clients the change will likely not affect them at all because the exception is extremely limited,†said Stacy Cook, partner at Barnes & Thornburg LLP.
Perceived barriers
The proposed rule would give permission to – but not require – health care providers that are involved in adjudications or serve as a repository to disclose federal mental health prohibitor information to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
Individuals who are banned from possessing or receiving firearms by the mental health prohibitor are profoundly mentally ill, said attorney Mark Swearingen, of Hall Render Killian Heath & Lyman. Based on his experience, he said the people being involuntarily committed had been found doing things like playing in traffic while naked.
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The mental health prohibitor includes people who have been involuntary committed to a mental institution, found not guilty by reason of insanity, or been determined by a lawful authority to be a danger to themselves or others.
Health and Human Services emphasizes that neither the prohibitor nor the proposed rule would apply to those who seek treatment for a mental health problem or who voluntarily admit themselves to a mental health facility.
The rule change is being considered, according to the HHS, to remove any perceived barriers created by HIPAA to making this information available to the background check system.
Although offering a rule change based on a perception is unusual, HHS may have had to take this step as reassurance.
In particular, the penalties that come from violating HIPAA regulations keep many health care providers and vendors conscious of where the restrictions are, said Isaac Willett, partner at Faegre Baker Daniels LLP. Stepping over the line can launch a painful investigation that consumes time and resources and, if wrongdoing is uncovered, leads to a hefty fine.
Still, this rule is not expected to impact hospitals, clinics and other medical facilities in the state because Indiana enacted a law in 2009 which requires state courts to collect the names of individuals who fall under the mental health prohibitor criteria and report that information to the Federal Bureau of Investigation for inclusion on the NICS.
Since the state judicial system is typically involved in the events, like involuntary commitment proceedings and trials where the defendant is found guilty but mentally ill, the courts know who qualifies under the mental health prohibitor rule.
Swearingen noted the Indiana General Assembly could, because of the HIPAA proposal, revamp the state law to add an exception allowing health care providers to release mental health prohibitor information. But he does not anticipate the Legislature would spend its time making such a change.
Opposition
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Should the suggested language become part of HIPAA, Cook doubts that will put patient privacy on a slippery slope where more information is released. The proposed exception, she said, is too narrow to provide any leverage for making other openings to medical records.
When it announced this proposed rulemaking, the Department of Health and Human Services contended the change was necessary to remove the obstacles that keep states from reporting to the NICS. The agency cited a 2012 study by the Government Accountability Office that found 17 states had submitted fewer than 10 records of individuals prohibited from having guns for mental health reasons.
According to the rule, the information given to the NICS would include the person’s name, date of birth and gender, along with a code indicating the individual is subject to the mental health prohibitor provision. Another code would identify the reporting entity.
The HHS is considering allowing the entities to disclose extra information to help NICS users confirm that a prospective gun buyer is barred by federal law from owning or receiving a firearm. This additional data would include such things as an individual’s Social Security number, place of birth, height, weight, eye and hair color, and race.
None of the individual’s clinical or diagnostic information will be released to the NICS, according to the HHS.
In a letter to the HHS, the National Alliance on Mental Illness argued if the regulations are amended, the person’s name should be released without identifying the reason why he or she cannot possess or receive a firearm. The alliance saw no need for NICS database to include the information that the individual is banned by the mental health prohibitor rule.
However, the alliance primarily pushed for the proposed rule to be tossed. It described the rulemaking as creating a “special exception†for releasing mental health records to the national database. Moreover, it cited research disputing the perception that those suffering from mental illness are more inclined to violent behavior.
Many commenters posting their reactions on the federal registry website see the proposed HIPAA amendment as an overreach by the Obama administration. Some assert the rule would curtail gun owners’ rights while others worry the rule is another step to eroding personal privacy protections.
Balance
Willett views the limits on the kind of information that would be released to be a “reasonable countermeasure†to privacy protection concerns. HIPAA does a good job, he said, of keeping medical records confidential. Yet, with the number of random shootings occurring around the country, the public also has an interest in being protected from harm.
“It truly is a balancing act between serving public safety needs and maintaining individual right to privacy,†Willett said.•
St. Mary’s Medical Center is pleased to announce that it will once again sponsor Camp Nota-Gona-Wheeze, an asthma camp for children in kindergarten through fifth grade. The free camp will host 50 students and will run Monday, March 24th through Friday, March 28th from 7:30 a.m. until 2:00 p.m. at Delaware Elementary School in Evansville.
According to the American Lung Association, asthma is one of the most common chronic disorders among children, affecting more than 7 million children across the country. It is also one of the leading causes of school absenteeism and the third leading cause of hospitalization among children under the age of 15.
Camp Nota-Gona-Wheeze, now in its 9th year, provides asthma education in a fun and interactive environment. Campers will learn to identify triggers for asthma attacks and tools to help avoid those triggers. They’ll also learn about their medications, how they work, and why it’s important to take them as prescribed by their doctors. In addition, campers will have the opportunity to discuss their feelings about their asthma and meet other children their age who are also coping with the condition.
Each day will have its own unique activity. On Wednesday morning there will be a “Caregivers Camp†educational session for parents and other caregivers of children with asthma. Thursday will feature a trip to USI, where the kids will swim in the university’s pool and make water bottle rockets for launching.
Camp Nota-Gona-Wheeze is made possible through the collaboration of several community businesses and agencies, including the EVSC and USI. The St. Mary’s Foundation funds the camp.
Camp counselors are nursing students and respiratory therapy students, who will all be under the supervision of a USI nursing instructor. A pediatric nurse practitioner, members of the Vanderburgh County 4-H Center, and volunteers from other area agencies will help make the week a success.
Due to limited availability, sign up is recommended on or before Tuesday, March 11th. For more information on the camp, please call 812-435-8279.
IS IT TRUE we received many inquiries over the last several months from our readers concerning the accurate accounting of  all City of Evansville legal work?  …we have also been told by several county and city officials alike that we may be surprised to find out the real costs to out source all city legal work?
IS IT TRUE we understand that the attorney for the Evansville City Council and his part-time administrative assistant’s operating budget is a $77,000 for this year?
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IS IT TRUE if our memory serves us correctly,  the City Council approved about $600,000 for the city legal counsel for this year?  …we have also been told that this figure doesn’t include any general liability claims work, workman comp issues, bond council work, Evansville Airport Authority District work and ERC contracts?
IS IT TRUE posted below are copies of the “Freedom of Information Requests” submitted by the City Council Observer to the City Controller, Evansville Water and Water and Sewer Utilities Department and the Evansville Airport Authority?
IS IT TRUE the City County Observer just presented the City of Evansville Controller office a “Freedom of Information” request asking for the following information?
Please produce copies of checks or a listing of all payments made to all attorneys for legal services , including litigation, provided to the City of Evansville, the Evansville Water & Sewer Utility, the Evansville Metropolitan Development Department/Commission, the Evansville Redevelopment Commission, the Evansville Redevelopment Authority, the City of Evansville Board of Public Works, the City of Evansville Board of Public Safety, the City of Evansville Police Department, the City of Evansville Fire Department, the Evansville-Vanderburgh County Levee Authority District, the Evansville-Vanderburgh County Central Dispatch Department and the Evansville-Vanderburgh County Emergency Management Agency during 2012 and 2013. Â In addition, please produce copies of checks or a listing of all payments made to attorneys who performed legal services relating to City of Evansville bond work concerning any of the above mentioned governmental entities, departments or agencies during 2012 and 2013
IS IT TRUE that the City County Observer just presented the City of Evansville-Water & Sewer Utility Department with a “Freedom of Information” request asking for the following information?
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Please provide the City County Observer copies of checks or a listing of all payments made to all attorneys for legal services, including litigation, provided to the Evansville-Water & Sewer Utility during 2012 and 2013, including payment to any attorney for legal services relating to bond work during such years.
IS IT TRUE that the City County Observer just presented the Evansville Airport Authority District with a “Freedom of Information” request asking for the following information?
Please provide the City County Observer with copies of checks or a listing of all payments made to all attorneys for legal services, including litigation, provided on behalf of the Evansville Airport Authority District during 2012 and 2013.
IS IT TRUE once this information is made public we feel it  will be extremely helpful for City Council to discuss and decide either to continue to out source or require the legal work of the city to be done in house?