IS IT TRUE February 4, 2015

1. Editor:

   Given how the City County Observer and the historically negative reaction among the CCO’s readership toward the Ford Center and the financing strategies it enjoys in Evansville, I thought Editor might take note of the Obama White House’s efforts to try to end some of the municipal monkey-business going on here and elsewhere:

   POLITICO, WASHINGTON DC February 3, 2015
   “The Obama Administration budget proposal released on Monday would eliminate tax benefits that make it easier for cities to raise money for new, luxurious sports facilities. These tax breaks have funded billions in stadiums and arenas, including almost $1 billion of tax-exempt debt for the new Yankee Stadium and about $325 million of tax-exempt debt for the Dallas Cowboys’ $1.3 billion stadium. Obama’s proposal is unlikely to become law, but it may be more designed to spark a political debate that would force Republicans to decide whether they want to stand up for a tax break that some conservatives deride as a corporate handout.

   The issue is already causing headaches for Republican Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who is mulling over a presidential bid, based on his conservative record. Last week Scott Walker proposed issuing $220 million of state-backed debt for a new arena for the Milwaukee Bucks basketball team.”

   • Conservatives indeed will be hard pressed to disagree with Obama on this one. I mean, are you are Conservative, or not? Is your hatred for Obama based on his failure to be conservative enough, or is it something else? Because this proposal eliminates a government handout, does it not?

     • The guy had the thinnest resume of anyone coming into the job. He could tell you all about what he had read, but he had not actually done anything. He is an expert on everything, having never done anything.

       Those of us who did our research on him, prior to his announcing, had very low expectations of how he would perform if he won the office. Debt is through the roof. Foreign policy has gone to hell. The ACA is anything but “affordable”.

       Pardon me if I do not jump on his band wagon.

       • Pressanykey….It’s totally obvious you are ignoring the question.

         So then PAK, you think Obama is wrong about the elimination of tax benefits for stadiums then?

         • Notice the side step as well!

         • Shem, since you have not been present here all that long, it is possible that you might not know that there is no one on these local boards who has been championing the taxpayer cause more than I have. I do not need to answer to you for anything. Armstrongers, having been around longer, here and on the C&P board, should have known better.

           It is hard to take people like you seriously. The majority of the time, your mouth engages before your brain does.

         • PK, I was interested in your thought on these stadiums,
           local government, etc. which seem to been a legit question.
           With “political charged” post around here of late, stepping
           around here is not always predictable!

         • The stadiums of the franchises? Both cost the taxpayers plenty. Lucas Oil is breaking the back of the Indy CIB. Indy has always been used to getting whatever it wants out of the legislature, but the legislature has balked at taxing everyone in the state for Indy’s stadium. Might bring out the rabble and their pitchforks.

           They have been able to reduce the maintenance cost to some degree on Lucas, but they are going to be high regardless. The debt service on the bonds is what it is, astronomical! Basically, Indy bet the farm on Lucas Oil Stadium and the hand has not played out yet.

       • Resumes mean nothing going into the Presidency. That position is a all together complete different animal. There has been resume’s of length, and then flopped as presidents. We have had war generals with only military experience riding the popularity wave and flopped. We had two with no military or elected office (Taft & Hoover) and were flops.

         To be fair, as president half way through his second term he still popular with the polls compared to who was before him. In these next two years, those numbers will change as the legislative and executive branches are of different parties. Then again, it may make good policy with those two separate, but equal powers as designed by the founding fathers!

     • I think it’s meaningless when compared to the real causes of our debt.

       • Would you agree that our debt has direct ties to our trade deficit
         these past 40-45 years. I recall senior year of high school (1977)
         that the debt was only around $325 billion. and this was right
         after the Vietnam war and the Mideast oil crisis.

         • The largest portion of our debt is mandatory spending in health and human services. How much would we have to correct a trade deficit to offset that cost?

         • Quick google result shown 58% has a direct effect.
           Indirect may gobble a good bit of that other 42%.
           There was mention of Current Account Debt tied to this.
           There was a chart showing the trade deficit and the national debt
           rising in unison as well.
           Social Security is still bringing in more then paying out.

       • I-E, that’s a good point, but off subject. But EDITOR chimed in agreement for good reason.

         What is clear is this tax benefit, and EDITOR’s howling against it and the complaints about the less than arms length finance structuring for the Ford Center, could not be any louder than here at the City County Observer. The resentment for these types of tax breaks among the CCO “comment community” is near 100% of posters here.

   • Pro sports are the most overlooked form of corporate welfare. We pay for half or more of their operating expenses. They rake in billions and pay no taxes. But hungry kids getting fed riles up the tea nuts.

     • Hungry kids, the big liberal lie. Where are they? If there are hungry children in this country it’s because they have incompetent parents, in which case they will be hungry for a long time. Surely there are more ebt cards fully charged waiting for hungry children. There are many religious organizations in this town anxious to provide food and shelter to families. I agree there is a lot of welfare for sports teams but people seem to really enjoy watching them play and then read about their criminal activity.

   • Sounds like a good law that I would support. The devil with proposals is always in the details.

   • Be interesting to know the rough percentage of total cost of the Ford Center project went to facilitate those luxury box sections (this includes additional height in the super structure etc). Would the ROI ever be met from what is charged for this area?

     I think it was done correctly when Roberts Stadium was built. The whole community sat together as one, as oppose to the have/have not seating we have now. Are we subsidizing the cost for the haves?

     • Of course we are.

     • There were skyboxes at Roberts Stadium.

   • State funded is a lot different than city funded. We have a state funded stadium. The Fraud Center may have cost 200 million, the true cost has never been released.

2. G’Mornin’

   “IS IT TRUE that the Winnecke campaign in 2011 spoke often to the Partnership Intermediary Agreement (PIA) that was signed between GAGE and the NAVSEA Crane Division in 2008 and even supported leveraging that agreement to spur some local job growth?”

   ~b~ It comes as no surprise to this reader that “good-speak” by the Winnecke campaign is similar to
   “if you like your insurance plan … you can keep your insurance plan.” mis-speak … to put it nicely.

   “IS IT TRUE the Evansville Redevelopment Commission has voted by a tally of 4-1 to extend a zero interest loan made to GAGE in the aftermath of the 2009 Freedom Festival through 2021 making this loan a 12 year term with no interest charges?”

   ~b~ A DEAL IS A DEAL
   Pay the loan back per the original contract. Letting things slide is an old trick and is indeed a slippery slope.

   “IS IT TRUE the $280,000 loan to GAGE was intended to be secured by the Industrial Incubation Building on the curve of Riverside Drive”

   ~b~ While the concept of “business incubator” is sound and innovative … GAGE has done nothing but dash Evansville’s traditions and smother her very spirit. Having become commonly known as “GOUGE” … GAGE has presided over the demise of our Freedom Festival … Thunder on the Ohio … Friday Cruise in’s and more. The logo of GAGE has become repellent and despised by many. It has devolved into a synonym for disconnected elitist meddling. When one see the figures associated with maintaining this thing called GAGE … this reader says …
   “SHUT IT DOWN!”

   Related article:
   http://www.courierpress.com/news/local-news/gages-2009-loan-from-city-government-tweaked-again_68803212

   • I was disappointed to see that Debbie Dewey is still here. When she, Lloyd, and KC are gone, GAGE can become an asset to the community.

3. So, are there any reliable estimates of what contribution SS&C Technologies makes to the local economy? How many jobs @what rates of pay did it bring to Evansville? It sounds to me like this company doesn’t need “incubating”, but should be moving to some of the vacant property on Main St. and paying rent.

   • Local government subsidizing business may be more common then the public should know!

4. At least Cheryl Musgrave asked Dewey some hard questions about GAGE. Among other things she asked her if she could move the GAGE offices to the basement so they could rent the desirable space Dewey currently squats in. None of it went over too well with Dewey. Local P. rode to her rescue.

   http://www.courierpress.com/news/local-news/gages-2009-loan-from-city-government-tweaked-again_68803212

   Bubba is right, GAGE is a tainted brand. It needs more than a rebranding, it is ripe for a disbanding.
   The Dewey departure is the only positive news I’ve ever heard come out of GAGE (their self-serving and very suspect press releases don’t count).

   • Anna Hargis and Jonathan Weaver were tweeting during the ERC meeting how uncomfortable they both were with tough questions being asked. We don’t have to beat the dead horse that is Weaver, but Hargis is not fit for government. Where does she think hard questions are asked? Musgrave was professional, didn’t call anyone any names (unlike Coures that morning) and spoke in a soft tone. It’s always uncomfortable to have to point out when the Emperor isn’t wearing clothes, but someone has to do it. I should have known that Hargis was worthless when her announcement speech consisted of her pledge to blindly follow Winnecke. If Hargis would have been on Council, it would have been another vote for Earthcare, she would have supported Johnson Control at the 40+ million level and the medical school would have been lost due to the 38.5 million bond on the hotel. It’s unacceptable for anyone to run on a platform that literally consists of a lack of interest in free thought.

     • She also can’t keep a job. She been through Vectren and Mead Johnson since she graduated from college and is still in her 20s. Now she’s at a nonprofit. A CPA that finds themselves at a nonprofit has failed to make it in the business world and has accepted a life of low wages. She doesn’t even work as an accountant.

       • There seems to be an epidemic of inability to keep a job in the Winnecke administration. Wasn’t Kelley Coures unemployed for about two years before landing at DMD? I doubt Russ Lloyd or Steve Schaefer could hold a job that was based on performance, either.

       • TAO OF POOH….Holy crap. You are clearly an inexperienced “i’m not sure what.” What an idiot comment regarding nonprofits.
         I serve on three local nonprofit boards, and I know firsthand the dedication, commitment and talent of nonprofit leaders and professionals who give back to their community serving a nonprofit….and foregoing easily had considerably higher compensation in the private sector. To disparage the CPA’s and other professionals who serve in nonprofit professional capacities wholesale with such an idiot comment says bundles of your lack of business inexperience.

         • I own a business and have been self-employed for 20 years. So yes, I have a “lack of business inexperience.” I also lack poor grammar skills. Quotation marks are used for quoting someone besides oneself. Her resume indicates an inability to make it at the corporate level. Why do I say that? Because she tried to make it and failed twice. People don’t walk away from corporations like Vectren and Mead Johnson lightly. Big Brother and Big Sisters is not a player in local nonprofits. It’s not a place that someone leaving the corporate world with a reputation for talent would land. Also, many from the corporate world who end up at the helm of nonprofits do so after a corporate career with some time and substance. She had neither.

     • Hargis also demonstrated a lack of interest in governmental transparency and accountablilty. She is part of Winnecke’s attempt to pack the council. We blinked just long enough to let a conman’s mark slither into the mayor’s job.

     • ” It’s unacceptable for anyone to run on a platform that literally consists of a lack of interest in free thought.”

       You pretty much summed up the “Winnie Trinity”, Anna Hargis, Michelle Mercer, and Jack Schriber, with that well-stated thought. Great post!

     • Oh no you didn’t just break the seal on criticizing Hargis! I’m game. As a nonreligious person who subscribes primarily to the Golden Rule and Karma, I don’t like the constant reference to Jesus. I don’t mind religious people. Don’t get me wrong. Whatever they need to behave, but I find ultra religious people to have a narrow focus, a limited life experience and typically the inability to explore someone else’s perspective. I strongly believe that a purpose driven life and service to others is key to all of our existences, but we don’t need a Teabagger on City Council.

       • The basic tenet of the tea party is that we need to live within our means. How could that possibly hurt a city that is sinking in debt? The only ones I ever hear speak negatively about the tea party are those who stick a dishonest hand in the public funds. The tea party wants more accountability in how tax dollars are used. Characterizing the tea party as ultra religious is another of those great liberal lies. If we had tea party members on the CC would we have the fraud center, earthscam, and all the messes with unpaid loans and fine old buildings going to ruin. We might still have the thunder fest. I’m not religious by any means but a monumental amount of good work is done by faith based organizations. Close to 300 people in Vanderburgh own their own their homes due to the ministry of Habitat for Humanity. The tri state food bank was ministry founded, churches have food banks and clothing closets all over this town. The Evansville Rescue Mission and Salvation Army, both faith based are tending to hundreds of cold, tired, and hungry homeless on this miserable night. The so called tea baggers will probably never get on this CC, it has no place for open honest people. The local democrat party is so corrupt that it will destroy anyone who attempts to break their monopoly, even if they have to elect a republican to do it.

     • Can you prove what names local personality Kelley Coures called people? It is certainly beneath the standing of a local personality to call people names. If true, I am very disappointed in that local personality.

       • Who is that question for? I didn’t catch a comment about name-calling. He behaved disrespectfully, but I don’t know of any name-calling.

         • Nevermind. I see it in “Random Thought’s” comment.

     • GROWTH ALLIANCE FOR GREATER EVANSVILLE…………Form-990…….(2012)

       http://207.153.189.83/EINS/351798568/351798568_2012_09cabdad.PDF

   • Dewey wasn’t the only “bad actor” about Cheryl’s questions. I understand that ERC Chair, Randy Alsman, asked for Kelley Coures and Mrs. Musgrave to stay after the meeting. He then proceeded to chastise KC in front of Cheryl, warning that the disrespectful behavior he exhibited toward a Commissioner would not be tolerated. It seems that the “Evansville Personality” doesn’t understand that when he bellied up to the public trough, he lost some of his “celebrity status.”
     I can see why the Poop’s people consider transparency of any sort to be kryptonite, though.

     • https://www.facebook.com/evansvilletransparency/photos/pb.1424909887778944.-2207520000.1423066228./1452458575024075/?type=3&theater

       • Do a little dance;
         Make a little love;
         Get down tonight;

5. Brookings Report: Went to their web site. Enjoyed several of their articles. Will go back again to that site in the future.

   Appears that Evansville was not on that list, is that it was said this type of industry tends to follow the metro area population. Evansville metro is in the 155-160 range.

   What really caught my attention was the city that was fourth on that list! A city that is a target by a fair amount of posters here in a negative way. “DETROIT”

   There appears a large amount of “R&D” tax grants with this as well.

   I had the pleasure of meeting/worked around the owner of a “robotic r&d company” that is in our area.
   Very interesting person and the niche he is in. Interesting that he was not originally from around here.

6. FOX NEWS, Chris Starnes, Febuary 4, 2015
   CHRISTIAN BAKERS FACE JUDGE’s WRATH FOR REFUSING TO MAKE STUPID HINDU WEDDING CAKE
   Aaron and Melissa Klein refused to bake a wedding cake for a Hindu couple, and now they must pay for their crime.

   An Oregon administrative law judge ruled on Jan. 29 that the owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa did, in fact, discriminate in 2013 when they declined to provide a wedding cake for the Hindu couple because it would have violated their Christian beliefs because anyone who is not a Christian is going to hell for not following the rules of the Bible. “They lost their civil rights when they decided to turn away from God,” Klein said. The Christian Baker Klein added, “This is the rule of the Bible, and they are stupid, ignorant people who don’t deserve to live in America.”

   Foxnews spoke with Aaron Klein by telephone Monday night. He told me the judge’s ruling is a miscarriage of justice and an erosion of religious liberty. “They’re trying to push us into the closet for being Christians,” he said. Klein said it’s time for Americans to take a stand for religious liberty. “The Founding Fathers said we have the inalienable rights given by God — not man,” he said. “Let’s exercise those rights.”

   He and his wife will not back down from their Christian beliefs. “There’s nothing wrong with what we believe,” he said. “It’s a biblical point of view. It’s my faith. It’s my religion. The only thing that matters is the teachings of Jesus and the Christian story as it has been revealed. We don’t serve Hindu people because they aren’t Christian. It’s against our religion. And the United States has no right to keep us from being true to our religion. That’s the end of it. We don’t serve anyone who is not a Christian. That’s the Bible and my religion. I have a right to be a Christian, so no Hindus, no Mexicans. This is a Christian nation. My religion says they should leave.”

   • Many angles to look at. May depend if it is a mortar/ brick store (which it sounds) or a private
     “one on one” style business. One would think that when you are a “public” business you would
     be bound by the law of the land. I believe there is a passage about giving to Caesar, what is
     Caesar’s. My personal interpretation is that one most follow the law of the land while out in public,
     but what one does in private is your business. A person can/may act to their believe in public
     as long as it does not infringe upon others.

     It appears two “extreme attitudes” collided on this cake issue, both creating a issue for their cause!

   • I don’t know if there is such a thing as a right to a wedding cake, but it appears they match the biblical pattern of one man and one woman as Jesus defined marriage.

     • Would that be pretend friend Hesus, scapegoat Hesus, or placebo Hesus?

       • Seriously, I get that you hate any version of Jesus other than your own. I still have the hate mail from Pax pinned to my refrigerator to remind me just how great the free thinkers are and how loathsome I am.

7. On the subject of the “Small business Incubator” aka Innovation Pointe. Honey Baked Ham is franchise/ existing business. Will GAGE loss funding for the building? Won’t they lose whatever state funding they get for a small business incubator? Pushing out the only coffee shop that was on main st to get another sandwich shop was a dumb decision on GAGE’s part.

   • Agreed! It is one of many dumb decisions, the dumbest of which was the Debbie Dewey endorsement of EarthCare. She allegedly “laid eyes” on the scam and still fell for it. She needs to leave NOW, and take “Mrs. Silence Dogood” with her.

     • I found reference to that trip in Nevada. Based off of C&P 3-26-12 edition, there were “Vectren”
       officials with her on that trip. It was said that she had read a report from the Vectren group on
       their approval, and authenticity of the venture the night city council approved the loan!
       The mayor was on record as backing Dewey that she visually seen that product!

       • Doesn’t it just figure that Vectren would take part in bilking us out of money?

       • Vectren wants to sit on the lid of any idea that might cost them customers.

     • She fell for it after tinkerer like me and bonified engineers were shouting that it was a scam.

8. There is a great deal of disagreement on this board, but can we all agree to bake a wedding cake for Pigeoncreek Sham and same-sex partner of his choosing if all the bakeries in Evansville turn them down? I recently heard that the VAST CHRISTIAN CONSPIRACY that completely controls our local retail establishments has started to treat white rice, clear plastic cups, and those little plastic forks they use at wedding receptions as controlled substances, with background checks to make sure they do not fall into the clutches of gay wedding planners. The same VAST CHRISTIAN CONSPIRACY is also surreptitiously monitoring the number of cans of food purchased with the number of cans showing up in recycling bins in order to prevent them from being dragged behind cars driven by the wrong sort of people.

   It has to be downright stressful to be a liberal Democrat in Republican drag, after all, and he seems to be getting more distraught by the day. Let’s allay some of his anxiety over this reign of terror.

   • HEY HOWLER…

     Ha! You are mistaken! This is not about same-sex marriage couples unable to buy a cake.

     It’s the Christian bakeries who refuse to marry heterosexual couples when the wife is not a virgin. The Bible is quite clear about this.

     • ..and HOWLER…this is not about Democrats and Republicans. The extreme Christians are no longer welcome in the GOP either….Dick Cheney (R), George H Bush (R), Rob Portman (Senate – R), Charlie Dent (House – R), Mark Kirk (Senate – R), Susan Collins (Senate – R) and on and on…support same-sex marriage. Oh, I forgot, add the Supreme Court of the United States.

       Hey Howler….you feeling like no-one values you anymore? Even the GOP thinks you’re a fool.

       • Since when did SCOTUS declare that same sex marriage was an unenumerated right under the substantive due process principal as derived from the 14 amendment to the US Constitution?

         • You know:

           There are no scenarios where the far right Christians come out on top here.

           There are no “Yay! We won! Same-sex marriage is illegal!” events coming up for you guys.

           There are no “You betcha!” moments coming up where the rest of the country says, “Well, let’s bring those religious extremists back into the Republican Party. They weren’t bigots after all. We sure do miss those guys.”

           But at least have a backbone. Just stand the hell up and say it! “We are the White Christian Party!” Cause there’s no place at the table for bigots in the Republican Party anymore. And you look pathetic hoping, scratching, clawing and whining people will come around and join your way of thinking.

           (SCOTUS ruled in Windsor to answer your question. The train left the station then, even you know that. They will stop the bans on same-sex marriage this summer…EXACTLY like they did when the religious extremists said the Bible banned interracial marriage and inter-faith marriage.)

           Look around. Fewer and fewer people in your room, every day…

         • Chris Starnes at Fox News only writes these articles to exploit you Tea Party crazies and get you to watch. They learned well from Sarah Palin on how to tease you in order you to watch and buy.

         • You back on the Ny-Quil Shem? 🙂

       • Indiana-Enoch:

         Yes to the Ny-Quil It works pretty good.

         But here’s the point. First the bad guys justification for denying citizens access to marriage law was “Well, the Constitution is behind us, there is no right to same-sex marriage in the Constitution.” SCOTUS had no respect for that idea and set in motion that indeed, same-sex marriage IS a protected right under equal access. SO…the bad guys lost on the point of law…..

         ….Now, however, since the bad guys lost on the law, they invent this right to pretty much do any damn thing they want “because if you don’t give me my way, I’m gonna claim God is on my side, and you are attacking my religion!” God trumps the Constitution. What a copout. I am pointing out how preposterous that line of logic is……in fact….it is the same logic used by ISIS. (ISIS’ logic justifying their cause is their religion says they are right. The comparison is accurate.)

         • If there is an ISIS comparison, it would be setting aside the religious protections provided in the Constitution for rights to a wedding cake. There are inalienable rights which should not be harmed, but do we have a right to not have our feelings hurt? So while I think refusing to bake a Hindu couple a wedding cake does not demonstrate a long held religious conviction, I also do not see how there was harm that rises to discrimination.

         • I-E, you are wildly dismissive of a citizen desiring equal protection of their civil rights you know. It IS discrimination. It’s not cake. It’s not hurt feelings. Blacks not able to sit at the counter was about much more than getting their feelings hurt. It’s the right to be an equal citizen. (The court backed that up.) Every time you dismiss it as hurt feelings, you try, poorly, to make the case this does not rise to equal protection. You’re wrong about that. (Court said so.) It is equal protection.

         • Equal protection for a wedding cake? Sorry, there are just hurtful people in the world and we don’t need to march them all before the magistrate. There are some things that are hurtful to a person’s rights and those things should rise to a higher level. Lunch counters and bus seats were part of a much larger problem in society that need to be rectified. Some baker with bad theology refusing to bake a wedding cake does not. A line will always be drawn and someone will always feel disenfranchised by it. The problem I see is that we as a nation have lost our ethical absolute and can no longer decide where to draw a line so we continually draw line after line in the sand. Eventually we become like the Pharisees creating law after law which becomes meaningless and burdensome to all.

           The baker’s a jerk and I am sorry that the Hindu couple had their feelings hurt. But to be truly free we have to allow others to be jerks. Otherwise we end up creating a nation of Stepford wives with our every action regulated by the state.

           The greater problem we face is government forcing people to perform services which violate one’s long held religious convictions.

         • I-E, you make a good point. I acknowledge there is a line on some things, and you’ve presented it well. I disagree on the line being discarded because it’s same-sex couples. But we’ve been through that. SCOTUS will frame this.

           I could not disagree more that people’s long held religious convictions give them the right to ignore other’s Constitutional rights. “Cake” is an example. Ok, I give in on cake. But you can’t deny civil rights because your religion justifies it. SCOTUS will interpret if the equal access for the same-sex couple is guaranteed or not.

       • I agree, get off this same sex marriage thing. Blaming it all on republicans is another of those big liberal lies. There are plenty of moderate democrats who disapprove of it but they seem to get a break. We know that same sex marriage will lose if left to a popular vote. Leave those People along and let them play house it’s not a big deal. Remember, it’s not about same sex marriage that gays want, it’s your approval.

         • POV, no way. Because it’s not about same-sex marriage. (Oh, BTW, I confess I don’t understand same-sex couples, but I accept it.)

           It’s about religious extremists deciding their beliefs trump the law, a clear problem and danger to society. The same-sex marriage issue is merely an example of that problem.

9. “wanted to point out that Evansville is subsidizing a business that is capable of buying a competitor for $2.7 Billion when the rent for the 3rd floor of Innovation Pointe would only amount to about $10,000 per month?” (CCO)

   * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

   This is an obscene ripoff of local taxpayers who poured funds into that building. Another Weinzapfel project that instead of giving and giving, it keeps on costing and costing.

10. Easy subject for a defection of topic, they all threw “all in . As usual easy, meah. Why should anyone in Indiana care how a bakery business foot shoots itself in Oregon? You ought stay on the misuse, and poor valuation of your available space at that ongoing failure on the toxic infrastructures surrounding your local innovation point in that zombie infrastructure district along your own main street. Scheeze.

11. Poor Pigeoncreek Sham. His fake distress over a man-bites-dog story in the Pacific Northwest is way too big a stretch for him. It’s hard being a faux Republican who derives his entire knowledge base from the Kos Kidz. If he knew any actual Republicans, he would know that many of them could care less, especially actual business owners for whom a legal dollar is a dollar.

    Now, Sham, if the VAST CHRISTIAN CONSPIRACY won’t sell you and your fiance a box of rice, just come on over to my place, and you can borrow a cup or two. Likewise if the VAST ORTHODOX JEWISH CONSPIRACY will not allow you to find a caterer who will make those hot-dog-wrapped-in-bacon-crescent-roll thingies, I will put together a task force of CCO readers to cook them up for you.

    • Hey HOWLER, this is worth saying again, because you’re so special:

      There are NO scenarios where the far right Christians come out on top here.

      There are NO “Yay! We won! Same-sex marriage is illegal!” events coming up for you guys.

      There are NO “You betcha!” moments coming up where the rest of the country says, “Well, let’s bring those religious extremists back into the Republican Party. They weren’t bigots after all. We sure do miss those guys.”

      But at least have a backbone. Just stand the hell up and say it! “We are the White Christian Party!” Cause there’s no place at the table for bigots in the Republican Party anymore. And you look pathetic hoping, scratching, clawing and whining people will come around and join your way of thinking.

      • They’re like roaches. Nobody wants them near their table, but they show up anyway if you don’t clean your house regularly.

      • There are a LOT more “Christian wrongs” in the republican party than republicans, A LOT MORE.

        • Like the putz and his 50 caliber bpm range toy, snipers choice, and that’s diversions sometimes are just high powered ricochets.
          The luckiest dumb ass on the planet proved it on video. Some political opinion fueling idiots ought to learn a bit with the view.
          You’d best know what one is turning loose before the tactical squeeze. Sometimes what goes out, comes back with a vengeance. Opinions are like that sometimes ones best shot is at target diversion, only becomes a tuck and roll event when reality kicks in.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

        • Brains…the GOP has to take on the task itself of cleaning house of these small-minded militia-bigots. It’s working. There may disagreements on policy between Dems and Republicans, but calling out and clearing out the hate-guys is not a Dem/GOP thing. GOP leadership and GOP money lost all respect and patience for the extreme Christian bigots when Mourdock and several others lost shoulda-easily-won seats by being hate-mongers. They’re being cleared out.

          Howler, every time he writes here, prepares his own noose. He’s paranoid and thinks everyone is a liberal. That is a common theme of the Tea Party.

      • Racking their puny hateful brains to find a way to discriminate against LGBT people is disgusting, not to mention it violates the constitution, and will cost taxpayers 10″ of millions.

        Loathsome jerks is too nice for the alleged people.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/04/laws-lgbt-americans_n_6612154.html

12. Poor, poor Sham. He’s so enraged and hate-choked (i.e., he’s a typical liberal) that his limited cognitive functions have shut down entirely.

    Sham, navigate away from Kos to something soothing. Close your dog-eared copy of this month’s Obamacomix. Read carefully: I, like many of the libertarian, not-so-libertarian, conservative, not-so-conservative, religious, barely religious, agnostic, atheist, Republican or occasionally Republican persons who share a commitment stopping the encroachments of thievish liberal parasites like Obama, Pelosi, and Reid on our lives, do not care at all about the domestic relations of mentally competent adults. You and your same-sex partner(s) may do as you please as far as we are concerned, although I have to admit I think that plural marriage would be a bad thing in the US and the one-at-a-time thing is preferable.

    At the same time, we cannot be overly exercised when a same-sex couple trawls an entire metro area to discover a shop run by people unwilling to accommodate them, and then pretends they are suffering as blacks did in the American South when it was run by racist Democrats and they were excluded entirely from most restaurants or bars. This is simply agitprop, boob bait for liberal bubbleheads.

    • Yay, “fouler” what’s your problem besides being really goddamned insecure? Go get some help.
      All the rage , indifference, and straight un-American bs you sport needs a little bit of tuning.
      Real Americans stand the line for real. Doing that is an acceptance of America. Puke.

      Talent is just that , and sticking to the best they have fronted, they always move beyond the base beat of the “one beat” drummers. Listen to the score, and get a frickin, life. I almost want to ask who stole your honey? Or did honey just move to an more return based daily?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9sesopGFqA#t=101

13. Psst. “The best is yet to come” from the actual overhead of todays observed frequencies .
    The illumination is coming soon. Listen to the lyrics , yep ,the best is yet to come.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6AY27MaQGU

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