IS IT TRUE February 27, 2015

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IS IT TRUE we are not Joe Wallace….but we too are truthaholics…we do not represent the opinion of one person and instead are the product of a group consciousness.…we are people who love this community.…we believe fundamentally that to fix a problem, we must admit it exists….we strive for a level of discourse that is both honest and productive.…we do not shy away from topics that are uncomfortable ….we will ask the hard questions and ask the reader to help find the answers?

IS IT TRUE we cannot emulate Joe Wallace.…this column will change….we recognize the immeasurable asset to the City County Observer that Joe Wallace has been for the last five years….it is with no small amount of nostalgia that we bid him farewell and wish him the best in all future endeavors.…Mr. Wallace has been since 2012 the CEO and Chief Innovation Officer of the Coachella Valley Economic Partnership and Managing Director of the Coachella Valley Innovation Hub in Palm Springs, California….his intelligence and ingenuity has received an enormous number of accolades…. the City County Observer is both proud of his personal accomplishments and his work for this publication?

IS IT TRUE the City County Observer is expanding….we have new contributors who will continue to bring a daily column of topics for our readers’ discussion and comment….the weekends will continue to be an open forum, but with a new feature for readers to submit topics for future daily discussions….Tri-State Voices, a project of the City County Observer, began airing on Sundays at 11:30 am, with the first episode on February l5th….these programs, hosted by Mark Owen and Cheryl Musgrave, will start appearing on our website in the near future….viewers will be able to comment on and discuss the content, as well as suggest topics and guests for future shows….the first episode took on the controversial Residency Ordinance, and the second episode hosted all four Democratic At-Large candidates for City Council?

IS IT TRUE the City County Observer exists for more than reporting the news…. intelligent debate has always been one of the main reasons readers come to read and stay to talk….time has demonstrated that strictly enforced guidelines are necessary for commenters….we will no longer edit comments to remove objectionable content, and inappropriate comments will simply be removed with the author receiving a warning via email….it is important that a consistent standard be applied and personal attacks against other commenters or the publisher removed….repeated violations to our policy of reasonableness will result in the poster being banned from commenting….pointing out that someone of an opposing view is drunk or in need of medication is irrelevant to the discussion….some of this country’s best thinkers have been both?

IS IT TRUE the City County Observer is launching a monthly, printed publication called The Evansville Post in April of this year….The Evansville Post will differ from the City County Observer website by providing in-depth articles about our government and our community….our new publication will include a monthly spot light on local businesses, interviews with local activists, a “From the Street” section where the public is interviewed about hot topics, a community calendar, an editorial section and more….the first edition of The Evansville Post will include 300 word essays from this year’s local candidates on themselves and the meaning of civic virtue….The Evansville Post will circulate to more than 150 locations in the area….this printed newspaper will be complimentary, and interested parties may request the addition of their location to the circulation route….the City County Observer will carry an E-edition of The Evansville Post on its website?

IS IT TRUE the Winnecke administration postponed an administrative hearing set for yesterday regarding a 2013 repair order for the McCurdy….the hearing officer could have imposed a $5,000 fine that reoccurred monthly until the ordered repair was made.…the hearing was postponed until March 12th allowing The Kunkel Group time to demonstrate it has the necessary $12 million to repair and renovate the building.…the postponement does not indicate a faith in The Kunkel Group so much as a fear that the City of Evansville become responsible for the structure….the City already has a lien on the McCurdy in the amount of $1.4 million that it has promised to waive should The Kunkel Group demonstrate its financing for the project is in place….the imposing of a $5,000 per month fine on The Kunkel Group if unpaid would have ultimately resulted in a larger lien on the property….a lien the City intends to waive….the postponed hearing is an example of this administration being the first to blink in a staring contest….every month that the McCurdy is left to the elements is another month that the City gains ground on a raze order at the expense of taxpayers….there was no valid reason to delay an administrative hearing that largely consisted of a paper tiger in action….this administration will likely push this issue beyond November before it becomes clear that the structure is unsalvageable?

IS IT TRUE WLWT Channel 5 out of Cincinnati, an NBC affiliate, aired a story on February 24th with a headline Ohio River Most Polluted Body of Water in U.S. for 7th Year in a Row….the story, which found its way to Facebook in the Evansville area demonstrates ignorance and sensationalism at its highest….the story accurately states that the 23 million pounds of chemicals dumped in the Ohio River in 2013 is down from the high point of 33 million pounds in 2006….the reporting also cites that the annual Toxics Release Inventory (TRI) National Analysis does not account for the volume of water in the river that dilutes the chemicals….the media outlet loses its credibility when it fails to explain that the River’s ranking also does not account for dilution by volume, and that the Ohio River is found by the US Environmental Protection Agency to be safe for drinking, aquatic life and recreation….the Ohio River is the third largest river by volume in the United States….of the 10 rivers on the most polluted list, 7 are not found on the list for the 20 largest rivers by volume….Evansville residents are better off living on the Ohio River than most of the other nine rivers listed as the most polluted….while we should strive for a cleaner Ohio River, we need to avoid hysteria?

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99 COMMENTS

  1. It is a good morning indeed.
    CCO is more than alive and well. She thrives.
    There is much to look forward to. Perhaps the best is yet to come. …

  2. When in the course of human events….oh wait, this is the CCO…..

    That damn Winnecke, he….

    It is what it is. Congrats and best wishes again to Joe Wallace.

  3. Free market! I’ll dump all the chemicals in the river that I damn well please! It’s my god given ‘murican right to be a patriot and pollute my fellow humans’ resources! Don’t tread on me!

    • Exactly what are we going to do about it? It’s apparently not a priority. I seriously doubt we will see this problem addressed for the next 50 years or longer. This is my reasoning behind that statement and I lay it at the feet of both parties. The Things That Gets Votes Gets Done. The last president that indicated a real, do something about the environment attitude was Nixon. People pollute the land and waterways of this country. And before you go off on yourself, abortion and birth control is good for the environment. It is shameful that people see abortion as a means of birth control. The CSO problem is caused by people, we need to stop doing those kind of things.

  4. The CCO has always been the sum of it’s parts, It’s Editor, it’s Owner, the Staff, and of course the Moles and Posters,– I will always continue to be a reader of the CCO. I will cease to comment on the issues brought to light by the CCO from here on, as I have now closed on the sale of My home in Evansville, and thus my vested interest as a taxpayer/home owner is no more. I shake the “dust of Evansville” from my sandals, and am Happy to do so. I have a real sympathy for those who have yet to Escape it.— I do wish everyone associated with the CCO’s endeavors all the Best, even those posters I have harshly disparaged at times, I expect you will miss me like a sore toe ha,ha. –Thank you CCO, Goodbye, and on to the next adventure !
    –Sincerely, Terry L. Rickard (Crash LaRue)

    • Good Luck! my friend
      May the sun always be on your face and the wind at your back
      Will miss you. …
      ~b~

    • I’ll miss you Crash. Even though you’re a no good s.o.b.

      But you’re our s.o.b.! At the makes you ok. Good luck, Sir.

    • Happy Trails Terry. Congratulations on the sale of your home and the escape from Hellsville. 🙂

    • You’re lucky. I have to wait for my wife to retire in 2 1/2 years. We’ll put the house up for sale about 6 months before she retires. I hope it is sold by the time she retires.

      • May reconsider waiting on selling. Think of what the economy will be like if Hillary or similar wins. Could take years to recoup. May look @ downsizing to an apt. now while the market is semi-stable. Just my tuppence.

        • 2008 into 2009 was a barn burner by deregulation and hands off policy leading up
          to that recession. We would need another “Great Depression” to top that. Two of the
          three triggers for that is here already. Record Dow Jones. Upper 20% of population
          has 89% of the wealth. (same as 1929) The only thing different is the current presidents
          political party vrs, what was of the roaring 20’s

        • IS IT TRUE: the longtime Democratic reckless spending and unfunded liabilities in Chicago has come home to ROOST! (Think Obama and Reverend Wright). Too bad Joe Wallace isn’t President so the US would have a leader that truly understands economics. What is happening in Chicago is where the US is headed with Obama’s record deficit spending and giveaways. Very scarey and a national security issue of the highest order.

          “CHICAGO (Reuters) – Chicago drew closer to a fiscal free fall on Friday with a rating downgrade from Moody’s Investors Service that could trigger the immediate termination of four interest-rate swap agreements, costing the city about $58 million and raising the prospect of more broken swaps contracts.

          The downgrade to Baa2, just two steps above junk, and a warning the rating could fall further still, means the third-biggest U.S. city could face even higher costs in the future if banks choose to terminate other interest-rate hedges against fluctuations in interest rates. All told, Chicago holds swaps contracts covering $2.67 billion in debt, according to a disclosure late last year.

          “This is an unfortunate wake-up call for anyone still asleep over the fiscal cliff facing the city of Chicago,” said Laurence Msall, president of the Chicago-based government finance watchdog, The Civic Federation.

          Chicago’s finances are already sagging under an unfunded pension liability Moody’s has pegged at $32 billion and that is equal to eight times the city’s operating revenue. The city has a $300 million structural deficit in its $3.53 billion operating budget and is required by an Illinois law to boost the 2016 contribution to its police and fire pension funds by $550 million.

          Cost-saving reforms for the city’s other two pension funds, which face insolvency in a matter of years, are being challenged in court by labor unions and retirees.”

          https://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-chicago-rating-downgrade-could-end-swaps-deals-174532024–finance.html

    • Crash, hope your luck is better than mine about leaving Evansville and staying gone. Left twice and came back, last time was for family reasons, the mistake the last time was buying a house. There’s an old saying, that your possessions really possess you instead of the other way around. So true. I now have more junk than 10 people ought to have. But I do have a plan in progress, I will stay close to Evansville, most likely move to Henderson or Owensboro. I love Evansville’s eastside, particularly GR and Burkhardt area.

    • I was hoping you would stay around long enough to test the level of censorship of the new editor with you vulgar trolling and stupid remarks.

      Let’s see that old Trash LaRue and see what happens

        • Sorry if I offended you, but I actually wanted Mr. Rickard to let loose to see what we’re all in for.

          I think a lot of people are wondering.

    • Crash, there are no residency restrictions for opinions. I have always enjoyed your comments and hope you continue smathering us with your wisdom.

  5. Group think is why Evansville is paralyzed on the big problems and bickers over the little ones. We shall see how groupthink works for the CCO. So now we know why Wallace left. He thought outside of someone’s groupthink box.

  6. Is It True that CVB has approved 5 new Evansville welcome signs @ $10,000 per sign?
    That these signs reference to Evansville Bicentennial in which the city leaders of the time
    had no bi-centennial celebrations? A birthday cake for kids, a phantom bi-centennial park,
    and trees being planted were the results? That the town of Cynthiana, which I believe has a
    bi-centennial this year, can out do Evansville’s just by tying a goat to kids wagon and guiding
    the goat and wagon down their Main Street?

    • It is NOT true that the CVB signs have anything that displays a reference to the Evansville Bicentennial. The new signs are basically blue and dark gold lettering on a white background that only say “Welcome to Evansville, Indiana”

      Not sure where you “heard” this, but you are 100% wrong

      • Please go to the WEHT news site and see the current sign. I take it is ok to
        spend $10,000 a sign? They ought to wait until after this fall election. Chances
        are they be replacing that “mayor” sign as well!

  7. I urge caution on increasing censorship. This forum is perhaps the most civil and informative one I have participated in. As long as no one’s privacy or safety is being violated, which happened to me more than once on the CP, and as long there are not incessant attacks against one’s character, then a few comments about one’s sobriety is inconsequential. Moving more toward the CP methodology of moderating will likely have an adverse affect.

    • I agree with Indiana-Enoch. He is right.

      Editor has exercised discretion in extreme cases in the past, but otherwise has allowed the “free-market/free-exchange” of ideas among the CCO posters to sort out inappropriate comments when they are written here.

      This quality of the City-County Observer is a UNIQUE DISTINCTION delivered here every day. THAT is a valuable thing. Take care of that CCO.

      • If you say anything embarrassing or revealing about someone on this website, no matter how truthful, that individual may claim it is a personal attack or even slander.

        That’s the problem with censorship. It can block out truths that even though the may be painful and revealing, should be said. Otherwise, someone can get away with a questionable deed while the censor forces a necessary truth from being said.

        Sometimes, if the claim is true, I feel it should be allowed to be said, and sometimes in a blunt or even nasty tone. Of course, if you relax censorship standards, you may allow for fabrications and lies.

        I think it is better to the reader decide and sort out these truths or lies, following more the spirit of the First Amendment, rather than allow the possibility that someone be blocked from revealing an ugly and necessary truth.

        That it why I was drawn to the CCO. That is why I think it is far better than the C&P,
        However, depending upon any new level of censorship, that could change.

        There are corrupt entities and cliques in Evansville that should be brought to light and I can understand why someone would be explicit or even angry in their tone when doing so, at least in some cases. Expect them to cry ‘slander’ or ‘liar’ when someone makes an unflattering post about them.

        Evansville hides some dark secrets that should be told, for without that, there is no possible chance for positive change. That was why the CCO was born. Change that, and you may kill it.

        • Thank you all for pointing out the complete lack of value in censorship. You are all free for the most part to continue pointing out the ignorance you find in one another. We suspect that ultimately we all truly appreciate the opportunity for debate. The primary concern is the very few who have turned words into actions. We have all witnessed negative comments that were twisted into threats. We do not buy into such ego driven behavior. However, we had an incident at the publisher’s home that demonstrated the potential for this discussion board to incite criminal behavior. The standard for censorship is a lot like the standard for obscenity. We’ll all know it when we see it. Thanks again for participating.

      • So I am not allowed to use the old SNL saying to LKB of:

        LKB you ignorant slut ??!!

        • Maybe, but you will need to prove that you use that terminology
          on your mother/wife/girlfriend every day!

        • I take extreme offense at being called ignorant, so one more time, up yours, gimmeabreak!!

    • IE: “Moving more toward the CP methodology of moderating will likely have an adverse affect.”

      Agree, and “everybody knows that.” Well did you know all the mainstreams overdo that. One channel in particular is worse that the others by far. Our take is we hope the CCO remains fairly balanced to center. We centrists like the science found in the mix.
      Hate to see ole Crash go but something tells us He’ll check in when the needs felt.

  8. I saw the Ohio River pollution comment on my FB feed and was suspicious of its reliability.

    • Speaking about pollution being dumped into the Ohio River and the dilution factor making it disappear I wonder often just how much of the pollution ends up on the River Bottom mixed in with the sand and mud. Sure the water soluble elements might flush out into the Gulf of Mexico. But that’s still a problem with the USEPA and the Mouth of the Mississippi River is a valuable resource as well as the area that the river water spills into. Those river deltas are important ecological areas that should be protected.

      Yes we have started treating some effluents but not all are treated all the time. Many times Evansville dumps it’s raw sewage and all other untreated waste right into the Ohio River or Pigeon Creek which flows into the Ohio River. I challenge anyone with the ability to grab a sample from the Bottom at the Mouth of Pigeon Creek and have it tested for heavy metals etc and publish the test results in here. Maybe then we could have a better discussion on what’s actually in the Ohio River Basin.

      • Ask any two headed fish and they tell you that it is no problem. Talking fish freak me out.

        • Has there been any two headed fish caught in our Ohio River?
          Don’t recall if those fish in Dr. Seuss talked?

          Besides, I hear that a good portion of people around here do not want
          Federal government meddling in our lives here.

      • Speaking of pollution it appears that Obama will win his illegal immigrant amnesty executive order, which will allow more than 5 million new polluters to join our ranks. Obama loves America so much that he is creating new ones, they come with food stamps, health care, rent assist, tanf and up $8000.00 of earned income tax credit as an incentive to come aboard. To put this in context for some, the number of new immigrants is basically equivalent to the population of the whole state of Indiana. For some this will not be a big deal, they will join the ranks of the low/no income of our society, segregate themselves, but they’ll be able to deal with it because when relative deprivation is taken into account it isn’t so bad.

        • They would not had come here if a certain sector of population would not
          had hired them in the first place! The blood is on those low life employers.
          Blame them. 1987 did not fix it, 2015 will not fix. Eventually we will be drag
          down to a third world economy as far as us grunts are concern. Looking around
          your city, excepting the far east/west sider’s we are well on our way!

          • You’re right. Employers who break the law and receive no punishment are the problem. I also think the churches carry a lot of the blame. The only future growth the Catholic church will see will be from immigrant Hispanics. The catholic church has become criminal over the years, I quit going some years ago. Any organization that would cover up for sexual abuse of children is beneath contempt. A good example of how a community can get pushed down to 3rd world status is Seebree Ky.

          • I “”Do”” agree with you on your post. It doesn’t happen very often, but it does
            happen. I got burned out by them begging for money from the pulpit three
            out of four times a month. Never satisfied. Seems like you had to “buy” your
            final eternity!

          • Arm, I don’t think getting hired is on most of their minds. The “benefits” are a good income for them.

      • True story I actually managed to pan some gold in 1975 at the mouth of the pigeon creek. The article I read said most of the pollution in the Ohio was from AK steel. Seem if they know the source they could fix it.

  9. I’ve only read CCO regularly for the past month or so, but the nasty personal attacks that I saw some people make on others was a turn off to me wanting to make any comments. Some of the stuff was just plain mean and unnecessary.

    • You and many others. Did not matter what the subject was, there was a core group that were
      just plain asinine “at” each other, then discussing the facts. Politic extremes were the normal.
      Maybe it will go back to it once was, maybe?

  10. The McCurdy drama. The local personality said the delay was not a bad thing. The C&P reports the City’s leverage over Kunkle is releasing their $800,000 lien. As the greatest generation said, FUBAR.

    • Joe, Don’t leave out SNAFU either. Someone ought to give’em some credits for maintaining a wildlife habitat along the Ohio though. Multiple species find refuge in the joint as it stands today. The main structured walls are beginning to show some depredation. The city ought to safety fence it like that old falling apart money pit Owen Block.

      • Mayor, developer say parking needed for McCurdy deal
        Jimmy Nesbitt
        12:00 AM, Oct 9, 2007
        local news

        Acquiring parking for the renovation of the McCurdy building was one of the cornerstones of the project, said Stephen Scott, president of Scott-Hilliard-Kosene.
        …
        “the McCurdy renovation is a “great project” and a building that, because of the operational costs of sustaining it, was at risk of becoming vacant before the city and Scott-Hilliard-Kosene reached a deal to redevelop it. “That would (have been) the worst thing that could have happened,” he said.”

        http://www.courierpress.com/news/local-news/mccurdy-deal-defended-mayor-developer-say-needed

        • A $400,000 profit for “paper work shuffle” for one insider. Is this property expense
          not on that McCurdy lien as well? That this $1.4 million will be wrote off just as that
          $500,000 that EVSC owed to the city for police stationed at the schools?

    • It’s hard to believe anything that comes from the C&P or the City. I think Kunkle is financially stressed and resembles someone in a pool of fecal matter up to their lower lip screaming not to make a wave. There is nothing new about Kunkle and the McCurdy, this was all known 3 years ago and the situation is actually worse now than 3 years ago. Just look at how that building has deteriorated since the residents were moved out screaming about 6 years ago. Sometimes politicians need to just follow their plan without all the gyrations, I think their plan for Owens, McCurdy and Mesker is the same as for Roberts and that’s what will happen unless some deep pocket private developer sees a profit In those buildings. If we could listen in on some of the mayors, past/present meetings it would resemble the Obama/Puntin meeting, I’ll have more options when I get re elected. Roberts is already fading from memories.

  11. Some how I’m not surprised that the City canceled the administrative hearing and extended the dead line for the McCurdy Hotel Project. This is not the first time that the Kunkle People have not been able to come up with the necessary funding to get a project going. Wasn’t the Kunkle Group the ones that were suppose to build the hotel when Weinzapfel was Mayor?

  12. http://www.14news.com/story/28214531/efd-asking-for-pictures-of-inland-marina-in-past-5-years

    EFD calls for people who might have photographs of Inland Marina’s “B” Dock area to turn them over to the EFD investigators.

    Here’s the thing. It’s called “chain of custody”. Before any picture can be entered into court as evidence it has to have a “chain of Custody” showing who took the picture and who’s handled the photograph up until the time it gets entered into evidence. So if someone took a picture and then didn’t keep records of where the picture was and who has possession of the photograph it MAY not be usable in Court. Not that it can’t be used to obtain information to help the investigation. So if you have old pictures that you want to show the investigators it would help if you have the chain of custody documentation too.

    Now if the weather ever warms up the investigation might be able to proceed and Mr. Marver’s House boat might be retrieved and inspected. I think I read on the EC&P that there are about 5 insurance companies involved in the investigation as well as the EFD, US Coast Guard, USEPA, and the Indiana Department of Environmental Management. Good luck finding burn patterns on that boat. Good luck finding the kerosene heater unit. I’ve seen a Google earth picture showing what I thought was Mr. Marver’s Houseboat before the fire. Its’ a good overhead shot showing the houseboat and the other Million Dollar Boat that was also destroyed. I think that boat is the Serenity which was parked at the end of “A” dock.

  13. Can’t hardly go wrong giving censorship the same regard people like Franklin and Paine gave it.

    Caving to an administration’s foot stomping and impotent threats of lawsuits means they win on the cheap. â–º I personally take full responsibility and hold the CCO harmless for any and all of the untoward, even vile, things I’ve said or am about to say* about any governmental administration, any person, or anything else ◀︎.

    * except for those parts that I can, through sheer force of will or hackery, transfer liability for to Enoch.

    • Enoch is liable to do anything. I yield to the very sober gentleman sporting the bandana.

      • I heretofore reserve all my slander for the governor, the mayor, and those interconnected persons who claim to be governing my welfare but screw it up with various degrees of frequency. All you guys on the CCO get a break, at least for today. I always mean what I say so that makes no one responsible for me but me.

    • So sad. I hate to see an ancient culture like this destroyed….The ISIS fighters are all-out rape/pillage/kill barbarians. You can’t win a war against people who don’t surrender, and I’m afraid this is gonna last through several Presidents. I’m not politicizing with that comment. These guys are really bad news.

      • The only way we will be able to deal with these folks is to set aside the Geneva Convention rules and the LOAC which we will never do as a country. I believe they will be active in this country real soon. It would take relatively small numbers to create total chaos in our large cities.

        • Mr. Ghost claims that ISIS and Christians are one in the same – they just worship a different God.

        • pov, stock up on bullets while we can still buy them. The way things are going the only people Obama is disarming are the law abiding American citizens.

          • MH, can’t disagree. Obama is a national security disaster. See my post above where the longtime Democratic rule in Chicago has bankrupt the City . This is where Obama is taking the US.

  16. QUESTION:

    Do we expect a “Laura Blackburn is writing the IIT’s for now announcement” this weekend?

    (No posts from elkaybee today….)

    • She’s too honest and above board to do that. She’s as deep in the liberal rut as I am in the conservative one. When I hear anyone tell me they’re an independent or a centrist I know they are really liberals but ashamed to admit it. LKB had a recent birthday so maybe she’s out celebrating, if Gloria’s was still open and she was there I’d buy her a drink

      • Well…I didn’t mean to imply anything underhanded. Only an observation. LKB’s a political player first, and a liberal second. Nothing wrong with that either, but it’s accurate. And you’re right, she’s a liberal.

      • Thanks for the compliment to my character, pov. I have decided to step away from posting here, at least until the situation cools down, at the insistence of my family. Things here have gotten a little over the top. I’m who I’ve always been, and I can’t keep from speaking my mind if I speak at all. I promised I would shut my mouth at least for awhile.
        You’re right about the recent birthday, too. The weather is nearly always awful on my birthday, so I am waiting for next month to celebrate. I hope to go check out a couple of new places to live where the weather is warmer sometime next month. After that, we’ll see what the situation is.

        • Even though in reality I am pretty much stuck in Evansville, I would love to find a warmer place. With each year that becomes more desirable. Let me know what you have learned from your research. I am not even in a position to travel to research such locations due to my spouse’s work. And my first concern is my large menagerie followed secondly by my MS. Welcome back Laura and hope you enjoyed your birthday even with the cold. And yes pov, honesty is the best policy.

      • Gloria’s where the Montgomery Gentry band went to party after playing at Mesker one night I was in your town awhile back. What a blast!

        Downtown the___ ord centers piece of shit cronies banned the place from having any scheduling. That town really sucks, you had a viable attraction and your stinking political licking cronies tossed it to move some stinking old O’ school political cronies out of their stupid and cut from vibrancy forever by infrastructure and throughput placement invested properties.
        Evansville deserves the ire people slop onto it today . That machine sucks. Big time!

        Nothing seems to have changed in all that time, or done anything about your scorned CSO under the bridges all the damned way to the Gulf of Mexico and the rest of the planet. Well the day of reckoning is about to hit the facial on that stinking mess.

        And yet you continue to leave that screwed up political mess to those that think the “Playing of the game” isn’t totally scored by those that you might want someday to take a risk and invest their dime in that shit source on the Ohio. Your about to be finished with that incursion . So work forward that stinking old downtown will not support squat to move the metro community forward , Zero nada nothing, just more liabilities. And of course your elected leadership insures through your utilities costing that will remain a feed line for as long as you dumbed down idiots meet the trending to support it.

  17. dhs might shut down if congress does not get it together fast. Emergency action time.

      • If they come into the US though TX they will vote for Bush. Either way I hope they fund DHS before midnight tonight. The cost to the tax payers is already starting. It costs money to prepare to shut down the DHS.

          • Don’t you think that funding the DHS which includes the boarder patrols might help stem the influx of illegal immigrants as well as the terrorists? So how does refunding Homeland Security help anything?

          • Move On, The border patrol money won’t be affected nor will the illegals as the patrol is told to let most of them in.

    • We know we are getting older when we see those people from our younger TV days dying all around us. It really starts to sink in that we are mortal beings when we see these folks passing away.

  19. @moveon, I don’t want to see DHS defunded but I don’t think we have the national will to stem the tide of illegals coming into this country. We have to many in the Government and outside the government helping illegals. When you have churches, families and the government helping them that pretty well makes it pointless to fight it. The 5 million that Obama has just allowed into the country will be anchors for the next 5 million. Not going to be a nice place for our children and grandchildren. Besides how did funds for illegals get coupled with funds for essential services?

    • Your last sentence is what I want to know too. What they need is a “Clean Funding Bill” to fund Homeland Security and nothing else tonight. Then they can argue all they want about the illegal problem. But fund the boarder now and do it fast.

    • Expose those assets to public auction and you won’t get 25% of $123T. The net worth of government holdings is a meaningless metric because there is no market for most of what they own. How many qualified bidders are for nuclear stockpiles that we are willing to do business with? Not a damn one. The gold in Fort Knox on the other hand will have some takers.

      • Your argument is analogous to saying we would have won the game but the other team scored more points than we did.

        IT DOESN”T MATTER. We could walk away from the debts too. We could do this or that or blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Yada yada yada The accountants know how to count.

        The point is our net worth is up since 2008, by about $48T and the nuclear subs and govt buildings are value about the same now as they were in 2008 so they really play no part in the increase.

        So the point is:

        1) this UTTER CRAP being spewed here and by RW assclowns, bloggers, pundits and pols, that Obama is bankrupting the country is just that, COMPLETE UTTER CRAP.

        2) We’re NOT BANKRUPT like the RW and 1% would like you to believe is also NONSENSE. We could pay off ENTIRE national debt with JUST OUR money market accounts and CD’s. , let alone all the real estate, stocks bonds etc.

        So stop with mental masturbation and nitpicking and stick to the point.

      • Don’t bother with BB, he’s one of those who believe if you have blank checks you still have money in the bank. Remember in the Wizard of OZ, I can’t give you a brain but here’s a diploma, sort of like what we’ve got with Obama.

        • Conservatives love to build strawmen and put words in other people’s mouths, a nasty habit, but its all they have.

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