IS IT TRUE APRIL 16, 2015

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IS IT TRUE  recently the CCO predicted that you better get ready for a big property tax increase in a couple of weeks?  …   ready yourself for another big  increase in your water and sewer rates in the near future? …we received our property tax increase letter yesterday and it looks like we were correct about the increase?  … you better get ready for a big water rate increase?

IT TRUE previous estimates that the City engaged in approximately $6 million in deficit spending for 2014 were too low?….the $6 million number previously reported here was before we saw the 2014 Annual Report?….the 2014 Annual Report showed that $5 million in 2014 bills were held until 2015, with approximately $3 million being payment in health insurance benefits for City employees?….the 2014 Annual Report also demonstrated the City received a prepayment of 2015 revenue from the Utility to shore up 2014 in the amount of $2.4 million in December of 2014?….this $2.4 million was revenue calculated into the 2015 budget but was used in 2014?….with the funds from the Utility and bills held, the City was able to end the 2014 year positive $300,000?…..if the bills had not been held and 2015 revenue used, the City would have ended negative to the tune of approximately $7 million?  …this $7 million coupled with the overspending logged in the 2014 Annual Report of nearly $6 million demonstrates the Winnecke Administration accrued debts and made expenditures of about $13 million more than it took in for revenue in 2014?  …with the prepayment from the Utility, the revenue calculated for 2015 will be short $2.4 million? …2015 is shaping up to another deficit spending year and can be added to 2012, 2013 and 2014, which were also deficit spending years?

IS IT TRUE the glaring problem with the City of Evansville’s spending habits, and why it was truly negative right after getting an installment of property taxes in December, is the City is nearly 6 months behind in its tax and spend policy?  ….City Controller Russ Lloyd, Jr  was taking advances on the December property tax installment as soon as the numbers were secure enough for the Vanderburgh County Treasurer to release the funds?  …because the City was writing IOUs in the spring of 2014 leading up to the June property tax installment, the City’s operating account was almost immediately negative in July? …this started the IOU process all over again leading up to December, so that December revenue was spent on the past instead of the future? …the City normally spends about $5-6 million a month to operate, but the City spent an extra $5 million in January and February paying the bills carried over from 2014?…right now, the City’s operating fund is negative more than $22 million?

IS IT TRUE that Jonathan Weaver has taken to the airwaves last night regarding the Evansville Fire Department Ordinance requiring new hires with military experience to have an honorable discharge?  …the new ordinance has been found to be too broad in requiring an honorable discharge under federal law?  …the ordinance must be narrowed as there as several ways to separate from the military that are neither honorable nor dishonorable? …Weaver has blamed Al Lindsey for the ordinance and called him vindictive? …we wonder when it became the individual responsibility of City Council members to do legal research?…if anyone made an error in the EFD ordinance, it is the City Council attorney Scott Danks?….we are waiting for Weaver to call out Scott Danks as incompetent?….we suspect we’ll be waiting some time, as Weaver seems to have a pretty healthy fear of Mr. Danks?  …we also wonder why Weaver hasn’t called the Evansville Police Department vindictive, as they have the identical ordinance regarding their hiring practices in Evansville Municipal Code 2.175.100(A)(5) ? …it seems that Scott Danks was modeling the EFD ordinance after the EPD ordinance and assumed legality under the circumstances of the EPD ordinance being in place for years?  …we have yet to see Weaver call the EPD ordinance discriminatory or call for it to be amended?

IS IT TRUE it appears that Weaver has made a habit of attacking people on a personal level anyone who doesn’t agree with him? …it’s difficult however to determine exactly what Weaver’s position is on any given matter, as we have to wait for someone, usually Councilwoman Mosby or Mayor Winnecke, to tell him what it is? …of all of the members of City Council, Weaver is by far the least intelligent member and lacks any credibility when it comes to demonstrating an understanding of what is happening around him? …in more than three years, we’ve never seen him utter more than one sentence at a time, write an ordinance with substance , or come up with one single idea on his own  …we are hearing many people say “it would be shame if Weaver made it through the May 5th Primary, as he has absolutely nothing to offer the citizens of Evansville”?

IS IT TRUE three days after City Council passed a resolution demanding the repeal of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, they are still waiting to determine if Mayor Winnecke will join them?…..Winnecke’s failure to act has brought Vanderburgh County Democratic Chairman Rob Faulkner out of hibernation?….Faulkner issued a press release yesterday accusing Winnecke of pandering to Republican House Speaker Brian Bosma who is headed to Evansville to be the keynote speaker at the Republican Party’s Lincoln Day Dinner?

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105 COMMENTS

  1. IIT that this Armstrong resident just received his property assessment in the mail yesterday?

    IIT that this resident had a 9% increase for Evansville city taxes, which total cost of spring/fall tax was 60% of the maximum cap of the home?

    IIT that this resident had a 26% increase for Evansville city taxes which total cost of spring/fall tax is at 96% of maximum cap for the farm ground?

    IIT that with farm land being tapped out, all Vanderburgh County residents, which includes the city, will be the next target of being hit hard?

      • Res you disregard the benefits the city provides for your farming operation. Ooops, forgot there are no benefits. I’ve noticed but not commented on the payments to the city general fund, that money is from a user based fee, which uses sewer funds to prop up the overspending. Is this proper?

    • Arm, You should consider yourself lucky you have the opportunity to own property like that. A lot of people will never have the chance.

    • Those that have been given more are expected to give more. As usual those on the upper end do not want to pay their fair share. I would like to see a rain tax imposed to pay for our new sewer system. The larger your property, the more run off, the higher the tax. People in the county should also have to pay a source tax if the source of their income is from the city. When the local government is run by liberal democrats expect to pay more tax, it’s expensive to support the types of communities that the liberal elite need to be happy.

  2. Abraham Lincoln dinner….. Abraham Lincoln would roll over in his grave if he saw what the Republicans were up to these days.

      • My thoughts exactly. She may be smarter than a worm too but that’s not saying much.

    • Both of those two are more than a few bricks short of a load. If fact, it would be easier to count the bricks left than the bricks missing.

  4. TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS
    According to the Indiana Code, the City Council serves as the Fiscal Agent of the City of Evansville. The Council approves all budgeted expenditures and considers all resolutions and ordinances.
    Councilmen should remember that they work for the taxpayer/voter
    not the Mayor – the banks – the unions or the many ruthless ancillary dependents who are voraciously feeding on the Evansville Public. Council’s fundamental duty and responsibilities have been set aside.

    DO YOUR JOBS!
    Looking away from glaring financial shortfalls – inconsistencies – and misrepresentations …must stop.
    Arbitrary – exclusionary and illegal …excursions into ordinance fairyland …must stop.
    Then – and only then …can you hold your heads up.
    Now …you should be ashamed of yourselves
    as we are ashamed OF you. …

      • Press
        I did notice.
        “The Citizens”
        Hopefully our Councilmen and our Mayor – will take notice. …

    • The CC is so deep in the cover up they have to keep digging. A glaring discrepancy to all of John Friend’s pseudo indignation is that he publicly admitted a few months ago that the current mayor was left an absolute mess by the prior administration. We need some sort of accounting on how this city went from a 50 million dollar surplus in 1998 to borrowing to make ends meet in 2015. I remember an article written by someone in the gaming industry when the boat was brought to Evansville: it stated that it was difficult to bring gaming to Evansville because Mayor McDonald was incorruptible. Wonder what the gaming industry would have to say about our recent mayors. It’s easy to find fault with Winnecke but look at what we lost under Weinzapfel, Roberts, Whirlpool, Thunder, McCurdy, Executive Inn, River House, and a host of other small businesses. The Boat and all the other tax are suppose to benefit the citizens of this city but end up in the hands of the liberal elite and seems to evaporate. I see no end to this 17 year political scam until there’s nothing left to grab. Unless the tax dollars are being outright stole we have a bigger problem than meets the eye. Downtown Evansville is in worse shape now with all the money being thrown at it than in 1998. I think a great idea for Tropicana is too move gambling inland and turn the current boat into a convention center, they have the resources and the where with all to make things work.

      • pov, has anyone noticed the pigeons are back downtown, especially under the Lloyd Expressway overpasses like N. Main. Someone said the City used to hire a pigeon trapper and the City used to put nets under the overpasses to keep pigeons from nesting. Now, its looking really bad there.

  5. Sure, despite being able to cite which part of the RFRA would allow for the Jim Crow discrimination or any incident of a RFRA resulting in discrimination, the Wolf pack keeps snaring in ignorance and dishonesty. When it comes to homosexuality issues, either one bows to the demands or be devoured by this rabid mob.

    Reliable media should be a sharp sword which disects the truth from popular hysteria, but much to often is it is a blunt tool used by those are with a cause to beat others into submission.

    The pin is more mightier than the sword, but the mind wielding it is dull.

    So you have Winnecke on the ropes? Great job.! And it only comes at the cheap price of religious liberty.

    • Indianaenoch
      Your passionate belief that marriage is between a man and a woman has been noted. Both your friends here at
      C-CO and God Almighty hear your testimony. I respect that.
      However: the likelihood that a gay couple would choose you (with your hetero-flag waving fervently) to preside over their happy day …are slim to none.

      Choosing Religion comes with challenges. Being strong when those challenges come …is the test.
      You are up to it. …
      Be at Peace and with Love My Friend

      • Gotta disagree here, Bubba. Why would a homosexual couple choose Indianaenoch (with his fervent hetero- flag waving) to preside over their happy day? That’s easy. For the same reason they would demand a cake baker opposed to them bake their cake. It’s not about “marriage”. It’s about destroying the opposition.
        Rile up the mob by lying. Create hysteria. It’s easy, given the politically correct template used by the media, and those joining the mob have no interest in truth or facts. Spineless legislators bow to mob pressure and relent, leaving those they attempted to help worse off than had they done nothing.
        Can you cite for us the offending passage(s) of the original RFRA?

        • CS
          Yes – I suppose there will be those who will climb that mountain – because it is there.
          And – Jesus was one of these as he willfully and knowingly violated Jewish laws and traditions.
          But – It was the Romans who executed him.

          Thank God for those who stand up – and sacrifice. …

          • Bubba. I’ll have to ponder that for a while. Food for thought.
            But my opinion on homosexual marriage is not based on religion.
            Nor, oddly( to some), is my defense of RFRA.

        • “Can you cite for us the offending passage(s) of the original RFRA?” That is the unanswered and ignored question.

        • COMMONSENSE and INDIANA ENOCH: From Forbes: “Indiana’s RFRA seeks to put this all to rest by specifically stating that individuals, partnerships, corporations, etc. can avail themselves of religious beliefs as a defense in a discrimination cause of action. This is a giant distinction and a distinction that leads the way for businesses—no matter how they may be organized—to discriminate against same-sex couples or any other behavior that the business owner or operator believes offends that owner or operator’s religious beliefs.”

          In spite of repeated attempts to point this out, C-S and I-E…blinded by the loss in the IN legislature, still insist the original RFRA did not need the protection for sexual orientation added to the law.

          What are you to do when the person asking for clarification insists “black is NOT black, but it is white?” You point out that it doesn’t matter if they think that. The RFRA was addended and is now law prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation.

          • What you are to do is look at the law yourself, if you value truth. Forbes is wrong. RFRA deals with government discrimination against individual religious practices.
            If Forbes lobbied for RFRA would you be as quick to jump on board? The reason I keep asking you to quote the offending passages is for you to realize how wrong you are. Lost cause.
            I knew Gruber was right; just didn’t realize the extent of how right he was.

          • Quark. You do not know. You do not know. Read the bill and try to summon up your long lost power of reasoning and then you will know how wrong you have been.

      • Bubba, whether it is by choice or not the challenges we must face fall within the constraints of the constitution.

        Has it not caused you to wonder why the reporter sought out the opinion a small town pizza shop concerning the effect of the RFRA?

        You need to get beneath the issue of same sex marriage and the backlash from the RFRA and understand how these events are eroding basic protections granted by the first amendment.

        To be honest, what reasoning is there for me to take away in your response? You have a good mind which I highly respect, but like so many the glare of this issue has blinded you to the deeper threats.

        • My goodness. I-E, you refuse to be accountable for wishing to discriminate against gay citizens. Look, we know you are biased. We know you think this kind of bigotry is ok. The law says otherwise. All that is left is to point out your bigotry. Those are not threats, quit trying to be a martyr…people are pointing out your beliefs are despicable.

        • Indianaenoch
          Your respect is returned with interest. LOL
          Yes – I wonder about many things – ideas – laws – Religions – but mostly I wonder about truth.
          Truth is most often hidden – and in stark contrast to the aforementioned. I offer no clear reasoning in my comment. It is clear that when social indoctrination – culture – tradition – science and a multitude of misconceptions mingle in the mind with Religion – a boggling effect is certain.
          When it comes to questions small or large – from gay marriage to mortality and the nature of life itself – I have but one firmly held and certain answer for you
          I don’t know. …

    • It is FASCINATING to read INDIANA ENOCH, every time, defend the violation of the civil rights of gay citizens because he thinks failure to do so keeps him from being able to practice his religion freely.

      I would say “Give Me a Break!”…but that’s too kind. How about “Crawl back in your hole” cause we’ve seen this kind of bigotry before against citizens based on their faith, skin color and ethnicity.

      BTW, what exactly is “Jim Crow Discrimination?” Everybody keeps being asked to cite examples of it. Is it another name for violating the civil rights of other citizens?

      Last, this argument is over, at least where it counts – legally – right? The addendum was added to RFRA, right? The law is toothless now, right? I-E, do you think you’re gonna get some kind of satisfaction here? I can’t figure your motivation…the vote is over.

      • IE still is fighting the Civil War and thinks that the South never surrendered. I know people like him who think the same way. Their forefathers fought and died at the hands of Sherman and Grant’s Soldiers and surrendered their weapons at the end of the US Civil War in 1865. Some of them won’t accept the fact that they can’t discriminate against other humans in this life time. If they had their way some would still own SLAVES down on the farm. Luckily the North won the war and instead of destroying what was left of the South the President decided to bring the South back into the Union. Reconstruction is making progress but it seems that IE was left out of the process.

        No one likes a BIGOT.

        • Moveon, I’m not sure you will see this late response being as I chose to spend the last couple days inviting fish to dinner and missed your comment.

          You calling me a bigot only makes you a liar not me a bigot. I side with the abolitionist not the Democrats when it comes to slavery, and I find no scriptural bar to mix race marriage. Sexuality however is not race and I do not find same sex as a definition of marriage.

          However, it is you introducing your religious views into this topic not me. My view is that states should get out of the marriage business, and sexual liberty does not trump spiritual liberty.

          I have found that ignorance produces fear and fear produces bigotry. Therefore, I ask that you cite the phrase in the RFRA that would allow the bigotry you accuse it allowing, or any incident of bigotry caused by a RFRA, and any actual bigoted comment I have made.

          If you can not, I do not expect an apology for your false accusations. Apologies are what grown ups do. Children reman silent and saulk.

      • Quark, quit being obtuse.

        “How about “Crawl back in your hole” cause we’ve seen this kind of bigotry before against citizens based on their faith, skin color and ethnicity.” How about you respect my freedom of speech and show me what phrase in the RFRA would allow for that level of discrimination or where any RFRA has resulted in it.

        If the argument is over, then why the referendum? The law is not toothless; it breaks the teeth of those who would force religion to bow to same sex marriage by participating in it. The CC has told the people of faith in Evansville that they do not warrant protection or inclusion unless they conform to the council’s definition of religion.

        • I have pointed this out REPEATEDLY. It is in a post ABOVE. Who’s being obtuse here? Who?

          2. The referendum is being undertaken to rub this IN YOUR FACE. Nothing else. Just political payback for the bigots. I see it as little else. (And the bigots, having suffered a loss they brought upon themselves….Yes…they deserve it.)

          3. You and this thing about defending your right to be a bigot cause your religion says its ok….its preposterous. I think you’re mistaken, the CC is only pointing out the law. (YOU say its about religion. EVERYTHING is about religion to you. THIS is about the law I-E.)

          • I have asked repeatedly to cite the phrase in the or an incident of the accusations of bigotry that have been leveled against this law. They don’t exist.

            Yes, it is about the law, and the law protects religion from the government. I and most Christians are not at odds with homosexuals. It is the government and a few extremist who have put us at odds with one another because they wrote bad laws that pits spiritual rights and homosexual rights against each other. This issue did not originate with Christians, it originated with government.

    • It is so amusing to be asked to consider the CEO’s of Indiana’s Business Community as part of a Wolf pack. Sounds more like the words of a resentful loser gritting his teeth and swearing at people as he retreats back into his hole.

      • The majority of Indiana’s business community is not part of the wolf pack threatening economic harm if they don’t get their way.

  6. I am confused, are we still pretending Lindsey did this as some sort of deep seated need for equality between the fire and police department? Just like the pay difference between chiefs? I didn’t get my local kook mailer this week and am a little behind.

    • How was the attempt for military veterans hired by the EFD to have served honorably about Lindsey and Connelly? What am I missing?

      • There is more than one way to be separated from the military that is not dishonorable. A young man spoke before the Council and made a compelling argument about his discharge, which was NOT dishonorable.

        • What does that have to do with the claim the genesis of the ordinance was Lindsey being vindictive against Connelly?

          • Personal bias aside. Do you really think Al woke up looked in the mirror and thought “You know what the problem is with my department? People with less than honorable discharge getting hired. Time to step up and do the right thing!” Or is it possible, just possible, that it may be more motivated by anger at being called out for drinking and returning to duty by an appointee of your political enemy. He saw a chance to point out publicly that Connelly had a similar discharge, and added the line about rape, child molestation etc. just to throw it out there in the same statement. It wasn’t a huge secret to the general public then, it’s not one now.

          • Random, You knew that all along. That is why you kept asking the same question. You wanted someone else to bring up the chief because you apparently didn’t have the —– to do it.

          • Random, By the way, dishonorable discharge isn’t the correct term. I think you knew that also. Your handlers should be proud of you. You performed your job of petty little political hack well.

          • Low reading comprehension – Check

            Blind denial of opposing viewpoint – Check

            Honed focus on dragging opponent into mud – Check

            I would say you’ve got the bases covered fella. Go ahead and put in that application for Al’s PR guy. I would say you are a shoe-in.

  7. Weaver is a joke and is the least intelligent person on council and that is a broad statement considering Mosby is on council. Mosby and Weaver are a cancer not only to this city council but to the Democrat party. Hopefully the Democrat voters are tired of these 2 self serving Republicans running as Democrats and will vote them out on May 5th.

    • Al I would vote them out in a heart beat if I lived in the city. They are as you said. Useless trash that should be moved to the curb for trash pickup day. They need to go. I feel sorry for you and the other Dems on the City Council having to work with those two dummies. Hopefully you don’t caucus with them as they would run straight to dumb phone and call Carol and tell her what’s going on inside the Democrat Caucus.

    • That is a broad statement considering you suggested cars enter a drive-thru pharmacy from the opposite direction, thereby forcing the driver to stretch over the passenger side to pay and retrieve their prescriptions. I was embarrassed for you.

    • Al, are you really calling people dumb? Let’s consider that you are on record saying that SBR belonged on the Greenway board because it’s in her ward. Newsflash, it doesn’t touch her ward, but a good portion of it is in your ward. No wonder you’re ducking the C&P now. Less than a month and you’ll be a lame duck. It’s nice to see all of those yellow & blue signs on the west side.

      • He’s not overly bright so it is comical to read his post concerning the cognitive abilities of others. He is also antagonistic and vindictive, so much so that it clouds his reasoning even further.

      • Editor, Your IIT wonders why a councilperson (Mr Weaver) is doing legal research on his own rather than using Mr. Danks. You might ask councilperson Ms. Riley to explain that to you.

        • Weaver didn’t do any legal research and has no idea how to do it. An attorney for a local firm did the research for his client.

      • Actually, it does touch the third ward on the north end where the third ward runs along Pigeon Creek and the Evansville Country Club. It’s by the Heidelbach Trailhead. Probably about half of it is in the 6th Ward now after the Garvin Park moved to the 6th Ward in 2012. SBR was the best possible person to put on the Greenway Advisory Board, as she also serves on the Metropolitan Planning Organization Committee where the Greeway gets its funding.
        I happen to know a little something about the 6th Ward and who is over there walking almost every day. I predict a win for Al.

        • Actually, it doesn’t. The trailhead starts east of Heidelbach and north of Diamond in the 6th Ward. The 3rd ward does not cross Heidelbach, north of Diamond. In fact, almost all of the passage is in the 6th Ward. There is a small part (maybe a mile) that is in the 4th Ward downtown. Thanks for trying to pull Al’s head out of his ass. Maybe you need to know a little more about the 6th Ward. For Al’s sake, I hope that your prognosticating skills are better than your cartography skills.

      • Phillip you already are a Lame Duck! Just because you hob knob with the major doesn’t make you a elite like you dream of. Al is right about Jonathan. He’s right on the money and you are just dead wrong… again as usual. Signs don’t mean votes all they are is a few yard signs. You are a little premature son. You should wait until after your two pinions are out of office before you start bragging.

      • Really? Where were Mosby and Weaver on the hotel at $38.5 million -for it. Al held out for a subsidy half the size. Where were Mosby and Weaver on Earthcare Energy- for it. Al voted against it. Where were Mosby and Weaver on deficit spending- for it. Al voted to cut budgets. Where were Mosby and Weaver on Roberts Park while other parks are not well kept- for it. Al voted to cut it from the budget. Where were Mosby and Weaver on saving Mesker- silent. Al has worked to get the Mayor’s attention to put money into it. Al Lindsey, like him or not, has been consistently right on the issues.

    • Mosby and Weaver may well be the two most honorable people on the CC. They are without a doubt more honorable and trustworthy than Lindsey, Friend, SBR and Connie Robinson. Lindsey drank on duty and then hired a lawyer to him get out of his lie that he wasn’t drinking. All you can say bad about Mosby and Weaver is that they vote with the mayor and the rest of the CC is upset because they don’t go along with their obstructionist behavior. Connie Robinson and her followers are a joke.

  8. THESE THINGS ARE COMING
    After watching the foolishness of some wayward extreme Christians push the passing of the original RFRA law (and precisely because they did, ironically, watch it blow up in their face when the GOP added protection for sexual orientation to the law)….I get great satisfaction that these three things are in America’s future:

    1. Same-sex marriage will be recognized as a Constitutional right.

    2. Protection from discrimination based on sexual orientation will be recognized as a Constitutional right.

    3. The extreme right minority of the American Christian community will soon break off and form their own political party tired of the lack of respect from the GOP in spite of repeated requests for financial support, get-out-the-vote efforts and voter-support.

    • Quark. 1. Based on which Constitutional provision?
      2. Based on which Constitutional provision?
      2a. What is sexual “orientation?”
      3. You are wrong in your description of Christians, but you are right about Washington
      Republicans. And, lately, Indiana Republicans.

    • 1. We will federalize what has been a state right, so why do we need state legislators any longer?

      2. Religious protection will be eradicated from the constitution if it does not meet the government’s established definition of religion.

      3. The foolish RINOs are selling off the GOP’s principles of liberty to the democrats for Judas’s reward.

      • That might not be so bad. We still have two Senators and many congressmen from IN at the Federal Level. I always thought it was stupid and redundant to have so many levels of government. Why do we need Fed, State, County, City and Township Governments taxing all of us all the time. I question this form of government.

  9. One of those supposedly “harmed” by the military discharge rule was a young applicant to the EFD who was discharged from the military for a vision problem discovered a short time after he was sworn in. If true, his discharge would not be less than honorable.
    However, would not a serious vision problem disqualify him from EFD? Just askin’.

    • CS, the rub in this issue lies in the several different types of military discharges which are not ‘honorable discharges’. You might know the difference in those, but many (most) people do not because they have no reason to – – they never served in the military and don’t know anybody who did/is.

      An ‘honorable discharge’ is for completion of contract with no major disciplinary issues and average or above average job and personal performance. An ‘other than honorable’ discharge might be understood by the public to mean anything other than a straight up honorable discharge, but it isn’t, it’s actually it’s own category, as are other types of administrative discharges (including an entry level separation, which the current person applying to EFD received due to a vision problem).

      Bad conduct discharges or dishonorable discharges are punitive – – the person who gets them was a pretty bad actor, probably did something rather egregious (maybe a felony level or high level misdemeanor crime, or another very serious breach of their contract or military disciplinary system). Seems reasonable that a person discharged from the military for murder or felony drug dealing would also not be allowed to be a police officer or firefighter, maybe not so much for a person discharged because of an unforseen personal emergency (which might get you a non-punitive non-honorable discharge).

      Confused yet? Me too, and I’m a veteran! I would argue that most veterans don’t have a very good handle on all the different types of discharges which may be given out, only the specific ones which applied to them. These current city council snafu is an example of what happens when folks who haven’t served in the military (and who don’t have the benefit of decent counsel, apparently), start making decisions which require some type of military knowledge.

      There are vision requirements for the EFD, but I think it is based on what a person’s vision can be corrected to, not what it is uncorrected. I’m sure you could find those requirements on the EFD website under the application section if you are interested.

      • There used to be a color blind test that was a deal killer if you failed it, maybe still is.

      • Thanks DeltaBravo. Confused? Yes. But maybe it’s more with the application of the ordinance by EFD.

  10. Winnecke will roll out the red felt for Bosma because:
    1 ) He’s afraid of him.
    2 ) He’ll need him and/or Pence to help clean up more audits.
    3 ) He’ll need him to get the star crossed medical school started before …
    4 ) … it shrinks like the Pancake Hilton. The reduction has already begun.
    5 ) He’ll get to strut and bask in Bosma’s stained glow and …
    6 ) It offers a chance to try to lure Boss ma to the 2nd Ward on behalf of The Mosby. Yee ha.
    7 ) He doesn’t have so many friends since Ken Haney quit coming around.

    • You forgot something Bandana.

      8) Winnecke will introduce Bosma to one of his champion endorsements in Evansville politics, Democratic Councilwoman Connie Robinson.

  11. Guess the daily RFRA debate garbage is on again today. What a waste of time.
    The state’s budget still only allots some $19 million for an scaled down southwestern Indiana IU medical extension campus. If that was to go to the downtown how much would go into modern balanced infrastructure and decent logistical accesses.
    The cost for that to go in is the first cut, before brick one is laid. IU will end up short sheeted on floor space and have a cheap economy class operation the way that stands right now.
    The other sites already have the reduced cost as the logistically forward more advanced 21st century utilities are shovel ready as we speak, The sewer and water utilities are under going expansion east of the I-69 corridor. That’s five million that IU wouldn’t have to sport forward with, so that means more building for the bucks. That’s smart metro planning.
    Our people there are also pondering an immediate property tax appeal as well. The CCO nailed that from what we’ve been hearing, the cost of the mandated sewer/water system is atrocious considering the actual value of the obsolete 90 year old crumbling down infrastructures. The savings the school facilities would sport on the sewer and water bills alone are reason to site the campus anywhere but the Evansville downtown. The students cost and basic dailies when compared logistically for cost, access, and timing due the clinical locations are flat un- acceptable
    when looks for daily modern environmental balancing/ student footprint.

    Back to the tax increase that is still coming to you via the lousy beat up old unattended infrastructure. That as it goes unchecked and continues to spoil ones daily needs in safe usable efficient pathway maintenance. Planning and developing innovative solutions to further improve the logistical advantage for the entire region should be the number one set of goals and objectives. Flopping around in Evansville’s old downtown on an IOU budget application will never bring economic well being back into the region. Once when the logistics could support the plethora of jobs and the revenue that sustained the cities finances without all the sneaky crafty sidedoor cronies fueling that seems to rule the day for everyone there presently.

    When one looks at that mess from afar its clearly moronic to assume the downtown location is viable for the expectations of those whom must fund and sustain the build.

    Quid est quod odor!

    “Ædificate climate*”

  12. I understand that facts and a little research gets in the way of a good sensational story but portraying the advancements as something new or unique to the current administration is simply false. The City and the EVSC have operated on advancements for the last 20 years I know of for sure. I’m sure that information is available through the Auditor’s office if anyone cares to look.

      • Lol, sorry. It’s just the way government works and it always has been. If any of them only got 2 pay checks a year I’m sure they may need an advancement here and there as well.

    • Wrong. There’s a difference between needing an advance and being a full six months behind in tax and spend policy. Needing an advance implies that it has not impact on the following 6 months, as in borrowing while grant money comes in or the City receives funds from another source. That is not what is happening here. There is no money that is being waited on. They have overspent to the tune of a full half a year. What will happen ultimately is that the City will run out of funds to use while they wait to take an advancement. The funds they use to get by while they wait are slated for their own uses. As the surplus is depleted, there will be less and less to borrow from. As spending in TIF and pension funds increases with projects and aging workers, the situation will get worse as well.

      • I’m just telling you that it isn’t different today than it was 20 years ago. They get an advancement from the Treasurer and that amount is taken back out of their tax distribution that they get each June and December. Of course you operate at a deficit. You spend money January – June and you don’t take in money until June. It works out in the end and if it doesn’t maybe ask City Council why it doesn’t. They are the fiscal arm of the City Government and the mayor can’t spend a dime that they didn’t budget or they don’t approve.

      • And there is money that is being waited on. The 2015 budget was approved to generate operating costs for 2015. Those 2015 taxes are due in May and November of 2015 and are dispersed in June and December respectively. That’s how it is set up to work.

        • No it’s not. The June tax installment is to pay July to December. December is to pay January through June. We do not operate 6 months in arrears by design. By the way, Winnecke never came to Council and said he was overspending. He put out a budget that over estimated revenue grossly. 2013 was his first budget, voted on in 2012. If you remember correctly, the City’s numbers could not be determined for 2011 and 2012 was not complete until well into 2013. Council had nothing to look at for voting on the 2013 budget. The proposed budget listed expenditures less than revenue, but the revenue didn’t come through. Council cut the 2014 budget but revenue was off again and expenditures higher than anticipated. 2015 was again cut, but some of that 2015 revenue has now been spent just shoring up 2014. Council can only do so much. The budgets continue to be cut and the revenue continues to not appear as projected.

    • You must be talking after 1998. We had a huge surplus under McDonald. Drawing advances for 4 months is new. A payday loan 4 months before you get your paycheck is ridiculous. Still an indication of fraud or a debt load that exceeds your means.

      • Are you bipolar? How could you support Weaver and Mosby and criticize the spending at the same time. They are half the problem with their constant complaining about members trying to get spending in line.

  13. Just a repackaged (and unsubstantiated) ‘Johnny did it too’ schoolyard defense. Never worked, never will. Winnecke hasn’t managed to do a single thing for Evansville since his accidental election. He assumed an elitist air and spent money out of turn. His success at giving money to conmen is not in question. None of his supporters, the ‘Wankin’ for Winneckes’, have offered a reason to vote for him. They just seem fixated on the better candidate, Gail Riecken, and can’t even come up with a plausible reason not to vote for her. They can bleat Urbana in six languages and on their bongos. Bless their pointy little haids.

    • I don’t live in the City and don’t support either candidate, couldn’t careless. I just think the truth has a place in the discussion. My past employment says that my claims are not unsubstantiated at all, 100% fact. Go do the research, it isn’t hard. The Treasurer or Auditor office will have records of advancements as far back as you care to look.

        • Ok, then the whole article is unsubstantiated, which is completely normal. How about do a story and find me a year where the city didn’t receive advancements. Or even easier try to explain to me how that is even possible unless you want all bills to go unpaid until June.

  14. Does the editor really expect his readers to believe Al did this for any reason other than to get back at someone who tried to fire him for getting drunk on the job? come on editor.. you can continue with your ramblings and john friend butt kissing but don’t paint us as stupid.

    another ?? i have. last weekend i was drinking down at lamasco with some of my college buddies. two of them are current military and were talking about how everyone on base knows that m.hart is full of it for advertising her self as an iraqi war vet. they said she never left stateside. wish the cco would divulge into this and see if we can get some clarification and if they are truly the “watchdog” will report on it

    • Everyone on base? The base here in town where your current military buddies are hanging out instead of in Afghanistan? Women have only recently been approved for combat. The vast majority of women serving in a time of war are in support services. Those support services occur both in the war zone and stateside. What is the difference given that she couldn’t have fought in combat during the war? Obviously, you aren’t in the military and have no respect for the people who serve. They don’t pick their assignment. They sign a blank check for up to and including their life when they go in. No one controls where they serve. Some are luckier than others. You’re a coward.

      • Tao, I don’t know anything about her record. If someone says they are part of Enduring Freedom or some other operation it means they were in theater where the action was. Doesn’t have to mean they were in combat they could be in support behind the lines. If they were in another area when the operation was going on that is called serving “during” the Enduring Freedom era. To make it sound like they were in theater while they were hundreds of miles away is shading the truth big time. That is using a nice term.

        • Cowboy, I have no idea of Ms Harts service record, but she does not present as being in combat, etc. If she was there in any capacity, she was a veteran. It’s when folks like this that start to “embellish” and make stuff up that we have problems.

          “During his 1988 campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination, Gore issued brochures containing a photo of himself with an M-16 rifle, which created the false impression that he had served as an infantryman, even though his only real combat experience was interviewing other GIs who had been in combat.”

          http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/gorevietnam.asp

          ” Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday she made a mistake when she claimed she had come under sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia in 1996 while she was first lady.

          In a speech in Washington and in several interviews last week Clinton described how she and her daughter, Chelsea, ran for cover under hostile fire shortly after her plane landed in Tuzla, Bosnia.

          Several news outlets disputed the claim and a video of the trip, showed Clinton walking from the plane, accompanied by her daughter. They were greeted by a young girl in a small ceremony on the tarmac and there was no sign of tension or any danger.

          “I did make a mistake in talking about it, you know, the last time and recently,” Clinton told reporters in Pennsylvania where she was campaigning before the state’s April 22 primary. She said she had a “different memory” about the landing.

          “So I made a mistake. That happens. It proves I’m human, which, you know, for some people, is a revelation.”

          “This is really about what policy experience we have and who’s ready to be commander in chief. And I’m happy to put my experience up against Senator Obama’s any day.””

          http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/26/us-usa-politics-clinton-idUSN2540811420080326

  15. Lloyd Winnecke made his position on LGBT rights crystal clear during his first run for mayor in 2011, and has proven true to his word during his term in office. He took a lot of heat for it then, quite a bit from some of the professed Republicans and Tea Partiers posting on this blog. I don’t see what he has left to prove on the issue other than to rub salt in recent political wounds at the Statehouse, and that would be counterproductive for Evansville at this point.

    • You’re right and he needs to leave it along. Gail is just stirring up the dying liberal elitist in hopes of keeping her name in print. Gail is holding true to her handle. Look under a horses tail and you’ll find Gail. The new young democrats are not going to look at Gail favorably, the good old days are gone where you can get votes by playing the minority card. What Gail and liberals of her ilk want is special privileges and protection for everyone on the face of the earth except for white hetro sexual Christian males. Any male that would vote for Gail probably has a gender identity disorder.

    • Well, if he wasn’t a coward and afraid of Bosma he’d go ahead and sign on to the Council’s resolution.
      What was it again that he did for LGBT rights? I can’t remember anything, seems it might be an urban myth. Giving Local Personality a good paying job doesn’t count.

      ❛The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing❜.
      Maybe the mayor isn’t a good man.

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